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Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:24 am to More beer please
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But again, if you are coach would you want to go into a situation like that?
You're right. But there's got to be one naive coach out there in America.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:34 am to More beer please
I guess I am relying on hope a little too much. Hope that Epps is intrinsically motivated to get stronger and better because the coaching staff isn't going to help him much. And I guess that I am hoping beyond that hope that if Epps doesn't work out then maybe just maybe Elbert will be able to contribute like he did early in the year.
If Darcy sees the floor in significant minutes next year I may puke.
If Darcy sees the floor in significant minutes next year I may puke.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:34 am to GeismarGeauxer
Honestly, if you were Shaq, would you want your kid to go to LSU?
On a serious note, basketball at this school is a complete embarrassment. It's a shame when we somehow overlook what a successful program could bring here. LSU treats it like an afterthought and that sucks. If we paid half as much attention as we do baseball, we'd at least get it out of the dark ages.
On a serious note, basketball at this school is a complete embarrassment. It's a shame when we somehow overlook what a successful program could bring here. LSU treats it like an afterthought and that sucks. If we paid half as much attention as we do baseball, we'd at least get it out of the dark ages.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 11:49 am to camplsu
At the end of the day, you get what you pay for and LSU is not willing to go out and make a splash hire that will turn the program around. CJJ obviously isn't going to get it done, but he has done a decent job in his first few seasons (barring last year) and the administration is not willing to put in the cash to get a big upgrade.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:02 pm to therick711
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Clarence Ceasar
One of my all-time favorites
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:31 pm to Giantkiller
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On a serious note, basketball at this school is a complete embarrassment. It's a shame when we somehow overlook what a successful program could bring here. LSU treats it like an afterthought and that sucks. If we paid half as much attention as we do baseball, we'd at least get it out of the dark ages.
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At the end of the day, you get what you pay for and LSU is not willing to go out and make a splash hire that will turn the program around. CJJ obviously isn't going to get it done, but he has done a decent job in his first few seasons (barring last year) and the administration is not willing to put in the cash to get a big upgrade.
In the mid to late 90's the LSU fanbase turned its attention away from basketball and baseball became the number 2 sport for the fanbase. I understand that the success in baseball made the sport more appealing to the fanbase. I also understand that the average fan only has so many entertainment dollars in their budget. It is not the average LSU fans fault that the basketball program has been inconsistent.
On the other hand, the LSU administration's commitment to basketball is absolutely deplorable. Look no further than our freaking scoreboard in the PMAC. Look no further than at how they have reconfigured the PMAC seating arrangement to make it the one of worst in college basketball. Don't feed me bullshite that the students didn't go to the games so they had to move them. That's BS. If the administration would have done something earlier about a coach that not only lost an overwhelming number of games while playing an absolutely boring brand of basketball (I'm looking at you Trent Johnson) then the students wouldn't have quit going. There is nothing wrong with the PMAC. However, there is something wrong with the people that run the PMAC. Our home out of conference schedule always blows unless by luck of the draw we have a good matchup in the SEC-Big 12 challenge, which is only a home game every other year. The administration doesn't care about basketball because they think the fanbase doesn't care. The Kentucky games the last few years and the Oklahoma game this past year has proven that our fans want to care.
Make a splash hire, add a new damn scoreboard, put the students back on top of the court, add some good non-conference games (Daddy Dale used to get freaking Duke to come here. Don't tell me its not possible.) and the PMAC can be intimidating again. I have seen it that way for a handful of games the past couple of years. There are enough fans want to get excited. There is absolutely no reason why we can't be like Florida who is nationally competitive in Football, Basketball and Baseball on a year in and year out basis. All it takes is an administration that gives a damn. Not one that sits with its hands on its arse like ours currently does.
/rant
Posted on 6/10/16 at 12:53 pm to camplsu
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All it takes is an administration that gives a damn. Not one that sits with its hands on its arse like ours currently does.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 1:19 pm to camplsu
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Look no further than our freaking scoreboard in the PMAC
Absolutely. One upgrade that is definitely overdue. Obviously it wouldn't be cheap, but it would make the whole arena look newer
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Look no further than at how they have reconfigured the PMAC seating arrangement to make it the one of worst in college basketball. Don't feed me bullshite that the students didn't go to the games so they had to move them. That's BS
The students were moved to open up more "prime" seats for paying customers. It's a lot easier to sell season ticket packages for seats on the sidelines than for seats on the baselines.
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Our home out of conference schedule always blows unless by luck of the draw we have a good matchup in the SEC-Big 12 challenge, which is only a home game every other year.
I've been saying this for four years! Anytime someone brings that fact up on here they get called a "negatiger." Last year LSU had the most hyped team coming into a season that they have had in quite a while. It was a great chance to build momentum for the program. With all of that, what was the best Jones could schedule in Nov/Dec? A bottom of the barrel ACC team in Wake Forest.
Now, I will back up the administration just a bit. Yes, you do get what you pay for. However, I can see the administration being a little reluctant to shell out huge dollars for a basketball coach in light of the fact that both the football and baseball coach are some of the highest paid coaches in their respective sports. That also takes into account that some very influential people aren't happy with the football coach and want to pay MORE to bring someone new on board. At some point, there is only so much money to go around. Plus, in this day and age, big name coaches are moving around all that much. They don't have to when guys like Greg Marshall can make $3 mill at WSU and have great job security.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 1:47 pm to dj30
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No coach has won more at the beginning of their career at LSU than Johnny Jones. He wins games and gets his players to the NBA, plain and simple.
I am not going to get into a debate with you about his performance. It's on paper in the books and it either is or isn't acceptable depending on what you expect. But I do have some questions for you, in all seriousness and not trying to flame him or troll you.
Do you doubt whether, rightly or wrongly, coach Jones is almost universally perceived negatively regarding his ability as a coach? Do you think, in light of his reputation as a poor coach and the failure of 2016 with a potential #1 overall draft pick, there is a realistic hope of his being able to recruit top-level talent to LSU in the future? With his ability to recruit top-level talent (obviously his biggest strength as a coach) either diminished or eliminated, is there any possible way he can improve the program?
Regardless of whether he's getting a bad rap, just had bad luck last season or whatever, strictly looking forward, I doubt ANY coach can overcome the overwhelming negative perceptions that currently prevail with regard to our coach.
And don't misunderstand my motivations. I met Johnny Jones when we were both still in high school and also when I was a student at LSU and he was an assistant coach, and I think he's a great guy. I don't see how anyone could personally dislike him. I'm talking strictly about his coaching prospects for LSU going forward. Assuming that "success" is defined in a way that requires better than we have done the last two seasons (I don't consider him responsible for the first two years as he inherited a bad situation), is there any path to a successful career for him at LSU and success for the program under his leadership?
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:12 pm to Alt26
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Now, I will back up the administration just a bit. Yes, you do get what you pay for. However, I can see the administration being a little reluctant to shell out huge dollars for a basketball coach in light of the fact that both the football and baseball coach are some of the highest paid coaches in their respective sports
Just a few numbers to review:
Football Salaries:
Les Miles - $4.3 Million
Jim McElwain - $4.25 Million
Basketball Salaries:
Johnny Jones - $1.5 Million (13th in SEC)
Mike White - $2.0 Million (9th in SEC)
Baseball Salaries:
Paul Mainieri - $750,000
Kevin O'Sullivan - $1 Million
LSU "Big 3" Salaries: $6.55 Million
Florida "Big 3" Salaries: $7.25 Million
The Florida number is skewed on the low side when you consider that prior to last season they were paying Billy Donovan $4 million as their basketball coach. That would put their "Big 3" salaries at $9.25 million.
In terms of athletic department revenues, I looked at two different websites (USA Today & CBS Sports) and one had LSU with more total revenue while the other had Florida with more. Both had LSU at $139 million while CBS at Florida at $131 million while USA Today had them at $147 million. Either way the numbers are relatively the same because both schools are in the top 10 in revenue.
If you want to dive extremely deep and look at assistant football coaching salaries, that it where I feel that LSU overpays the market value, i.e. Cam Cameron. We pay a guy $1.5 million (or whatever it is under is new contract) call the same three running plays 80% of the time.
Florida pays their assistants over $2 million less than we do. LSU's athletic department has the money to pay for a basketball coach within their current revenue. But it seems like every time a coach has a .500 season in any sport we give them an extension which only makes it harder to end contracts when the time comes. Now that once again goes back to my point, the people in charge of that revenue at LSU are completely incompetent.
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The students were moved to open up more "prime" seats for paying customers.
I understand that the numbers add up in favor of the prime seat argument but this is college basketball not the NBA. Every single college basketball program sacrifices prime seats in favor of the competitive advantage of putting the students as close to the floor as possible. I watch a lot of college basketball and I have never seen a student section take up less prime seats than LSU's student section. To say we give one baseline to the students is an outright lie. We give the students one tiny arse section on the baseline. Once again it is a horrible decision by the numb nuts decision makers at LSU.
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We are by choice losing a competitive advantage (students as close to the floor as possible) in favor of prime seating revenue for an arena that we have only sold out twice in the last 10 years!
The attitude of the administration must be, "well we aren't going to sell out anyway so lets steal as much as as possible from the people who are in attendance."
I just decided I am moving my season tickets up to the 300 level and am going to sit where ever the hell I want next year because I'll be one of the few in attendance.
This post was edited on 6/10/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/10/16 at 2:48 pm to GeismarGeauxer
Perhaps Shaq will come and coach LSU...
Posted on 6/10/16 at 3:00 pm to CEORanter
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What a frickin joke and to think now JJ's resume has getting a player a $12M shoe deal blows my mind
with the hype Ben Simmons got before the season, Johnny Jones cost him a lot of money there
think about LeBron's deal in 2003. Now adjust for the fact that Ben Simmons ain't LeBron, and make it 13 years later (damn, been that long?).
Posted on 6/10/16 at 3:16 pm to chalmetteowl
at least the women's team is in good hands...
Posted on 6/10/16 at 5:43 pm to secfballfan
Just read this whole thread. I'm drunk at twin peaks and have a lot to say...but I gotta wait for a computer so I don't have 100 grammatical mistakes.
Posted on 6/10/16 at 10:39 pm to LSUButt
Where to start...
1) frick the administration. As Camp said, they don't give a shite. Look at Duke, Michigan, Michigan State, dozens, maybe hundreds of other schools...they all have PREMIUM seats for students. As a season ticket holder in the 200's, I am eligible to sign up for LSU text alerts about ticket upgrades. Therefore I know for a FACT, they do NOT sell all those tickets in the lower bowls. They seriously sell half of them. I give shite to the students, but when I was in school I had great seats and made a difference. I knew some of the players, but I seriously remember Temple, Tyrus, Big Baby, Mitch making a big play and running by all the students and beat their chests pumping us up. Now, for half the game the students are completely taken out of it. More than any other sport, college basketball relies on the students. It is the lifeblood and makes such a difference. Verge, Nunez, Alleva, etc..are all pussies. Can't do this..can't do that. But you better believe Eddie Nunez got 16 Final Four passes in the lower bowl, all of which had special lounge privileges. Been seen that shite with my own fricking eyes. Fix the damn scoreboard!!! How old is that shite? We don't deserve better? We absolutely do. We're stuck in the 90's.
2) Originally, I liked the CJJ hire. I knew he wasn't a good coach, but he could recruit. However, no one...I mean NO ONE could predict he was THIS bad. TQ ran the team terribly, the bench was used terribly, and no one progressed...so we are left with what? A coach who won't be here in 5 years, but yet they don't want to fire him...so we are in purgatory.
3) I love LSU basketball. I was thinking about applying to jobs out of state and far away..but I didn't because I put all my damn eggs in this basket. I joined the tipoff club, bought seats in the 200's (give me a break, they were the best I could get because apparently LSU didn't want to sell the rest of the 100's), wrote previews about the other team...basically I put my life on hold for a year. Do I regret it? Absolutely, but hindsight is 20//20. Was it pathetic? Absolutely. Did I learn from my mistakes? Absolutely. However, nothing can take away some of the moments LSU basketball has given me...
Ross Neltner tipping in Bass's missed shot and I was the first to greet Ross and get swarmed by everyone, and we were on espn top plays. Ohio State vs LSU double OT the 2004-2005 season...hugging Hudson as he came off telling me it was the most tired he's ever been. Final Four...obviously. UCONN 06-07...camping out multiple nights with some of the best posters in TD history...
My point is I'm one of the few that puts LSU basketball above everything else (not the only, but most would admit they wouldn't say basketball national championship over football or baseball national championship)...our fanbase deserves better. Alt26 said it best...we deserve a better schedule than just the SEC/Big12 challenge. I don't give a shite what those bitches in suits in the admin say...LSU fans love all sports. We want to be successful in basketball just like football and baseball. Most say they don't care just because we suck. If we became Duke or UK...we would 100% care, and that's what drives some of us crazy. When we win ugly or some bullshite game, barely anyone says anything. If we win a big game or lose, the entire first page is littered with posts.
I am begging the administration...Please...PLEASEEEEEE let our program be great again. Do whatever it takes.
Sorry for the wall of text and bullshite...love you all no matter if I fight and call most of you jackasses (except you bfniii, I still think you're a cocksucker).
1) frick the administration. As Camp said, they don't give a shite. Look at Duke, Michigan, Michigan State, dozens, maybe hundreds of other schools...they all have PREMIUM seats for students. As a season ticket holder in the 200's, I am eligible to sign up for LSU text alerts about ticket upgrades. Therefore I know for a FACT, they do NOT sell all those tickets in the lower bowls. They seriously sell half of them. I give shite to the students, but when I was in school I had great seats and made a difference. I knew some of the players, but I seriously remember Temple, Tyrus, Big Baby, Mitch making a big play and running by all the students and beat their chests pumping us up. Now, for half the game the students are completely taken out of it. More than any other sport, college basketball relies on the students. It is the lifeblood and makes such a difference. Verge, Nunez, Alleva, etc..are all pussies. Can't do this..can't do that. But you better believe Eddie Nunez got 16 Final Four passes in the lower bowl, all of which had special lounge privileges. Been seen that shite with my own fricking eyes. Fix the damn scoreboard!!! How old is that shite? We don't deserve better? We absolutely do. We're stuck in the 90's.
2) Originally, I liked the CJJ hire. I knew he wasn't a good coach, but he could recruit. However, no one...I mean NO ONE could predict he was THIS bad. TQ ran the team terribly, the bench was used terribly, and no one progressed...so we are left with what? A coach who won't be here in 5 years, but yet they don't want to fire him...so we are in purgatory.
3) I love LSU basketball. I was thinking about applying to jobs out of state and far away..but I didn't because I put all my damn eggs in this basket. I joined the tipoff club, bought seats in the 200's (give me a break, they were the best I could get because apparently LSU didn't want to sell the rest of the 100's), wrote previews about the other team...basically I put my life on hold for a year. Do I regret it? Absolutely, but hindsight is 20//20. Was it pathetic? Absolutely. Did I learn from my mistakes? Absolutely. However, nothing can take away some of the moments LSU basketball has given me...
Ross Neltner tipping in Bass's missed shot and I was the first to greet Ross and get swarmed by everyone, and we were on espn top plays. Ohio State vs LSU double OT the 2004-2005 season...hugging Hudson as he came off telling me it was the most tired he's ever been. Final Four...obviously. UCONN 06-07...camping out multiple nights with some of the best posters in TD history...
My point is I'm one of the few that puts LSU basketball above everything else (not the only, but most would admit they wouldn't say basketball national championship over football or baseball national championship)...our fanbase deserves better. Alt26 said it best...we deserve a better schedule than just the SEC/Big12 challenge. I don't give a shite what those bitches in suits in the admin say...LSU fans love all sports. We want to be successful in basketball just like football and baseball. Most say they don't care just because we suck. If we became Duke or UK...we would 100% care, and that's what drives some of us crazy. When we win ugly or some bullshite game, barely anyone says anything. If we win a big game or lose, the entire first page is littered with posts.
I am begging the administration...Please...PLEASEEEEEE let our program be great again. Do whatever it takes.
Sorry for the wall of text and bullshite...love you all no matter if I fight and call most of you jackasses (except you bfniii, I still think you're a cocksucker).
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