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Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:47 am to DeltaDoc
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Guess what, we averaged 31 points per game last year without RP. Now we have a defense and our offense is rated in the 100s...an offense that is filled with 4 and 5 star athletes and it is rated in the 100s.
Guess what, last year we lost 5 games with that offense that scored 31 points per game. Would you rather score 31 points a game and lose or have an offense in the 100s and win?
Go take a look at this!
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:48 am to Draconian Sanctions
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Jesus Christ you defeatist pussy fans will be the downfall of this program long before anything Nick Saban does.
+100000000000000000000000000000
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:53 am to LSUnKaty
I can understand that it looks this way, but looks can be deceiving. we won't know for a couple of years. so why bum yourself out now?
being a fire happy program won't solve the problem.
being a fire happy program won't solve the problem.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:55 am to LSUnKaty
quote:I get what you're saying. But fans dont make or break a program, they react to the product on the field. Period.
Jesus Christ you defeatist pussy fans will be the downfall of this program long before anything Nick Saban does
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:55 am to LSUnKaty
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Guess what, last year we lost 5 games with that offense that scored 31 points per game. Would you rather score 31 points a game and lose or have an offense in the 100s and win?
I'd rather have the offense that scores 31 points per game with our defense we have now.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 8:58 am to Tiger55
This whole discussion is ridiculous. Under Saban we had 1 year with less than 3 losses I think. I would be grateful for a 9-3 season this year. 9-3 is a really good record that we could have only dreamed of under that guy before Saban. We need to remeber those days..
Posted on 10/20/09 at 9:25 am to Tiger55
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'd rather have the offense that scores 31 points per game with our defense we have now.
With all the pick 6s too? Really?
Posted on 10/20/09 at 9:33 am to DeltaDoc
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I think most people on this board would admit that when Saban finally landed at Bama they were (1) angry, and (2) certain that he could not attain the level of success at Bama that he did at LSU.
I was on vacation in Utah when the rumors on ESPN started flying about Saban leaving the Dolphins for Alabama.
When my family and friends were gathered around the TV that day that Saban took the podium and announced that he would be taking over at Alabama, I immediately made two prognostications,
1) Alabama will be a top 3 team within 3-4 years (looks like it was sooner than expected...)
2) Alabama will be the new power in the West (and perhaps the SEC), supplanting LSU's run of the last 6-7 years.
Saban was one of the best college coaches in the country when he left LSU. What most LSU fans don't realize is that he has become a better coach since he left us. Not only does he have the best defensive mind and scheme in college football, but he is one of the best recruiters in the country, and certainly recruits and has an eye for the best defensive talent.
His teams take on his attitude. Ruthless, aggressive, disciplined, and fundamentally sound.
The West is only going to send one team to the SECCG each year. Unfortunately, until Saban leaves, I see Alabama as the SECw team that will be getting most of those bids. They'll also most likely obtain a national title within the next few years as well (could easily be this year).
I don't mean to be negative, but a lot of this is true. Alabama was ranked as the #1 team in the country for the majority of the season last year. We had 5 losses. Alabama is currently ranked #2 and is believed to be the #1 team in the country over Florida. We have been struggling, and could end up with another 2-4 losses when it is all said and done. Next year, we replace a substantial amount of key players, while 'Bama could possibly be even better than they are this year.
Anyone noticing a trend?
This post was edited on 10/20/09 at 9:35 am
Posted on 10/20/09 at 9:44 am to DeltaDoc
Posted on 10/20/09 at 9:50 am to LSUnKaty
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'd rather have the offense that scores 31 points per game with our defense we have now.
With all the pick 6s too? Really?
You say this like it’s guaranteed that he will do this. There is no way to know this any more than you can know that JJ will somehow magically begin to throw downfield. The pick six’s were not the only difference in scores last year. The amount of points our defense gave up was a BIG part of our losses.
Our defense is playing really good and getting better all the time. I’d rather have an offense that can move the ball and score a lot of points than simply hope our defense holds the other team to three points, hoping we score six.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 9:58 am to Polar Bear
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I don't mean to be negative, but a lot of this is true. Alabama was ranked as the #1 team in the country for the majority of the season last year. We had 5 losses. Alabama is currently ranked #2 and is believed to be the #1 team in the country over Florida. We have been struggling, and could end up with another 2-4 losses when it is all said and done. Next year, we replace a substantial amount of key players, while 'Bama could possibly be even better than they are this year.
Anyone noticing a trend?
Very good post. It is true and everyone on here knows it. They are too stubborn to admit it, but in their gut they know this to be true as well. This is why you get post that bear no argument to the contrary, just personal attacks. It is cowardly and very transparent.
As you have stated, one team goes to the SECCG every year and as long as Saban is at Bama, they will go more than LSU.
Obviously, LSU is currently 5-1 and ranked high in all polls, including the BCS. However, if you watch the product on the field in relation to the talent on the field, any rational person would have to admit that LSU has subpar coaching.
Bama went undefeated in the regular season last year with less talent than LSU had on its roster. There is a very good chance the same thing repeats itself again this year.
You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, but it does not mean it is not true.
I was also blasted on here last summer in stating the JJ would not be the difference maker that everyone was predicting. I stated people would be calling for Lee to get snaps by mid-season. I was likewise blasted by the same idiot fans who cannot formulate a coherent argument, so they make personal comments. Well, 70% of the threads over the last week have been dedicated to Lee getting snaps and it is mid-season.
Keep on sticking that head in the sand. At some point, that sand is going to get a little irritating to the senses.
This post was edited on 10/20/09 at 10:00 am
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:11 am to Choctaw
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What is this decline ya'll speak of?
How about 3-5 in the SEC last year?
Les Miles = Mr. Chick Fil A Bowl.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:17 am to DeltaDoc
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DeltaDoc
You are 100% correct. I love my LSU Tigers and have been balsted as well for saying the obvious.
LSU has much more talent than Bama last year or this year, but Alabama is well coached and well disciplined and play with heart. (see Ingram in last weeks game.) That is the difference! And that all comes from coaching...
I dont see us winning the west the next two to three years.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:33 am to DeltaDoc
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They are too stubborn to admit it, but in their gut they know this to be true as well. This is why you get post that bear no argument to the contrary, just personal attacks. It is cowardly and very transparent.
Okay. I'll repeat myself. Les Miles is an excellent recruiter. As good a recruiter as anyone else out there.
Les Miles recruited a top QB to come to LSU. Unfortunately for LSU, that QB had to be kicked off the team.
2008: That top QB would have led LSU to a much more successful record last year. I don't think that anyone can credibly argue that LSU would not have beaten Bama last year with that QB. LSU would have been far more competitive in its other games with that QB. People would have said that LSU is on par with Bama if that QB would not have forced Miles to kick that QB off of the team.
2009: LSU may have very well beaten Florida with that same QB. Indeed, there seems to be near unanimous opinion that LSU's current QBs are not quite performing at the necessary level. If, as I properly postulate, LSU would have beaten Florida with that QB, there would be absolutely no discussion about LSU declining in relation to Bama.
Thus, one could correctly hypothesize that the difference between LSU and Bama in 2008 and 2009 is not the coaching. To the contrary, the difference between LSU and Bama is the loss of a certain QB.
And as a small bit of emphasis, I should point out that although the overall talent level on LSU and Bama is the equivalent, the importance on where that talent resides on the team is critical.
For most of 2009, Bama rode a certain O-Lineman to great success. When that certain O-Lineman was absent last year in the Sugar Bowl, Bama crashed and burned.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:43 am to Polar Bear
Oh, Polar Bear, you obviously are blind to Les Miles' 47-12 record, 4 for 4 bowl wins, and BCS National Championship! No other coach in the history of LSU has done that. EVER!!! I'm just kidding with you. I just get that same line thrown at me a lot.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:49 am to Choctaw
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Again...what decline are you talking about?
8-5
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:49 am to just me
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Thus, one could correctly hypothesize that the difference between LSU and Bama in 2008 and 2009 is not the coaching. To the contrary, the difference between LSU and Bama is the loss of a certain QB.
Okay, at least you put forth an argument and I appreciate your perspective and do believe that there is truth in that line of reasoning.
So, according to your line of reasoning, Miles and Saban (and the staffs of the schools) are roughly the same across the board. LSU lost five games last year because they did not have a QB the caliber of JP Wilson and LSU is not ranked below the 100s in offense this year because they do not have a QB the caliber of Greg McElroy.
On the flip side of that argument, one could argue that JPW and GE don't have a cast of playmakers like Lafell, TT, RR, DB, TH, etc.
Make no mistake, QB has been an issue with LSU and cost us some games. The coaches developing said QBs and putting them in the situations that they were in to not succeed also plays a critical role (like rarely rolling out JJ this year which clearly puts him in his comfort zone). I am not saying that losing RP didn't hurt, but if you believe that is the sole reason for LSUs woes last year and offensive woes this year, I have something I want to sell you.
Here is the deal, Saban is a better coach than Miles and as such Bama will be the force in the SEC west year in and year out, not LSU. LSU will still be good as Miles is a decent coach. I expect to still be in contention year in and year out for Cotton Bowls and the like with a shot at Atlanta every five years or so.
Believe what you want to believe, you are free to make your own decisions but not free of the consequences therefrom.
Posted on 10/20/09 at 10:55 am to DeltaDoc
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Very good post. It is true and everyone on here knows it. They are too stubborn to admit it, but in their gut they know this to be true as well. This is why you get post that bear no argument to the contrary, just personal attacks. It is cowardly and very transparent.
As you have stated, one team goes to the SECCG every year and as long as Saban is at Bama, they will go more than LSU.
Obviously, LSU is currently 5-1 and ranked high in all polls, including the BCS. However, if you watch the product on the field in relation to the talent on the field, any rational person would have to admit that LSU has subpar coaching.
Bama went undefeated in the regular season last year with less talent than LSU had on its roster. There is a very good chance the same thing repeats itself again this year.
You can stick your head in the sand if you want to, but it does not mean it is not true.
I was also blasted on here last summer in stating the JJ would not be the difference maker that everyone was predicting. I stated people would be calling for Lee to get snaps by mid-season. I was likewise blasted by the same idiot fans who cannot formulate a coherent argument, so they make personal comments. Well, 70% of the threads over the last week have been dedicated to Lee getting snaps and it is mid-season.
Keep on sticking that head in the sand. At some point, that sand is going to get a little irritating to the senses.
quote:Only the blind cannot see that this douchebag is a Saban nutsucking Gump.
DeltaDoc
Posted on 10/20/09 at 11:00 am to TigerWoody
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Only the blind cannot see that this douchebag is a Saban nutsucking Gump.
Nice post dipshit. Prove me wrong. Give me something that proves what I am saying is false. Is it that nice 8-5 record last year? What about that offense ranked in the 100s this year? Was it that resounding defeat of MSU in which we were outgained by 100 yards and an inch away from defeat?
I hate Nick Saban. However, I am man enough to see and admit reality.
Give me something that proves that Miles is a better coach than Saban and give me something that proves that Bama has not surpassed LSU in the West. You cannot do it.
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