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re: The Pro-O Propaganda Machine is Simply Amazing to Behold
Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:39 am to bencoleman
Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:39 am to bencoleman
Criticism of an LSU offense that’s ranked 10th in the SEC is not hate. Concern over the fact that we took L’s at the hands of 2 first yr SEC coaches is not hate. Being frustrated over a Bama distancing itself even more from LSU than ever before is not hate. Noting that we are having a really good yr recruiting, but also noting at this time we rank 4th in the SEC is not hate. None of that is being made up either.
Coach O has done a good job in his time here. Let’s up he does even a better in the future.
Coach O has done a good job in his time here. Let’s up he does even a better in the future.
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:42 am to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
hey, go look at this post on the thread 'i'll say this about Ed Alexander'. I marked it and identified it as it seems to fit the criteria of what we were talking about with paid troll posters. I want you to tell me if this is one of those guys because you said they are easy to see and most started around the late 2015 and early 2016. He seems to fit the criteria. He goes under the user name of 'BUGAtGOAT'
Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:49 am to Goldrush25
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We're supposed to have an elite recruiter. He should leave zero doubt about his abilities relative to the competition.
O is recruiting at a high level. The more reasonable expectation would be for him to hire a real OC and get out of the way.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 10:57 am to Tiger Ree
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Jimbo is SO AWESOME that FSU had to reschedule a game against ULM just to be eligible to play in a bowl game after he left the team.
He is so awesome that with what was at least the 2nd most talented team in the ACC he lost 35-3 to Boston College. Not his fault though the offense had 10 first downs and 213 total yards of offense. I was like "damn, slow it down Jimbo, 213 total yards, I was getting dizzy. And 10 whole first downs. shite, nobody has ever done that against Boston College.
He is truly the QB whisperer though they had 149 yards passing and only 64 yards rushing. I am still blown away that BC won that game with Jimbo putting up unbelievable numbers like that. He needs to give his son a HUGE raise.
Jimbo went on to coach at FSU for 8 years accumulating an 83–23 record, a 2013 BCS national championship, 3 ACC conference championships, 4 AP Poll top 10 finishes, and 4 bowl game victories. His 0.783 winning percentage is the highest in FSU history among former head coaches.[9]
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When Ed Orgeron has a resume which even slightly resembles Jimbo Fisher's let's talk.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:05 am to TigerLunatik
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TigerLunatik
(got another one)(check it out, same thread as before)
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Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:32 am to TigerLunatik
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You may be right, Ben. I think it's all in the individual experience. I've been accused of ripping and/or hating Coach O for saying nothing at all that it's possible that I tend to see some of the "hate and bashing" as common criticism or concern
Saying that the offense is terrible and discussing what needs to happen to improve it can be considered criticism.
Saying that coach O won't hire a good OC because he's insecure is an undeserved personal attack
It doesn't surprise me that most negas can't tell the difference.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:40 am to rbdallas
quote:. Absolutely this is the same reason the media loved Miles.
did not make LSU a national brand but people like "down to earth" people.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 11:50 am to bencoleman
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It doesn't surprise me that most negas can't tell the difference.
I don't recall saying that the offense is terrible. I have said I think there are better coordinators out there, but don't think E should be fired unless there was an absolute home run hire already in place. I certainly don't think I've ever said Coach O was insecure and that's why he won't hire another OC. I do think that after what happened with Canada last season that having E is more comfortable for him and that's what he prefers. I believe he thinks that E can be successful. Maybe he will be in year 2 with some returning players and another year of the system. I've been called negative for much less than what I've said here, so if this makes me a negative hater, I guess I should just embrace it.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 1:10 pm to TigerLunatik
“ I don’t recall saying the offense was terrible”
It’s amusing that we even have to have a debate as to what descriptive word we should apply to our offense. How about we just say, we gained less yds this season than we did last season and we fired that OC. Let’s say we have the 10th best offense in the SEC and that’s after we just played a 7 OT game. Let’s say we have an offense which couldn’t score a point against Bama in Tiger Stadium although Arkansas, maybe the worst team in the SEC was able to put up 30 against them. Let’s say our current OC hasnt scored a point against Bama in two full games played in Tiger Stadium.
To me, that qualifies as both disappointing and significantly under achieving.
It’s amusing that we even have to have a debate as to what descriptive word we should apply to our offense. How about we just say, we gained less yds this season than we did last season and we fired that OC. Let’s say we have the 10th best offense in the SEC and that’s after we just played a 7 OT game. Let’s say we have an offense which couldn’t score a point against Bama in Tiger Stadium although Arkansas, maybe the worst team in the SEC was able to put up 30 against them. Let’s say our current OC hasnt scored a point against Bama in two full games played in Tiger Stadium.
To me, that qualifies as both disappointing and significantly under achieving.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:08 pm to TigerLunatik
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don't recall saying that the offense is terrible
I didn't say that you said those things. I used them as examples of the difference between criticism and personal attacks. I also don't think you are guilty of personal attacks.
Posted on 12/22/18 at 2:23 pm to Lonnie4LSU
It's also amusing that you think that the exchange between me and loony were about the offense and the state that it's in. Not one person claimed that criticisms of the offense was hate. Do you deliberately misunderstand or is reading not one of your strengths?
Posted on 12/23/18 at 12:18 am to bencoleman
The Pro-O Propaganda Machine is Simply Amazing to Behold: Dereck and his 5-member Staff use confirmation bias to deceive you into turning a blind eye to the tough matter of gathering evidence and thinking by cherry picking bits of data that confirm an agenda or view.
Madking summarized this perfectly right here:
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Whatever your knock is on O one thing he has been brilliant at and I mean elite, is his propaganda machine.
From his cronies in the press to the flooding of social media and of course his intimate knowledge of the fan base and ability to tell them exactly what they wanna hear, it’s incredible.
Think about what he’s done, he hasn’t improved the record, in fact over the last 18 years our win spectrum has been 13 to 8 wins, 0 has won 8 and 9 games, the fewest possible yet has the fan base believing that we are improving.
He’s also convinced fans that he inherited a rebuild, even though the classes he inherited were ranked #2, #5 and #2 nationally. On top of that he’s got ppl clamoring about an uptick in recruiting when his classes have ranked #15 and #7.
And that’s not even going into the phony promises he’s made about coordinator freedom, hit pieces on Canada, throwing players under the bus, having fans cheer him on for it, and fake OC searches.
It’s brainwashing that Hitler would be proud of.
Special Ops Commandant "DERECK E. PONAMSKY" aka the Alter, aka DownVote 1
Bencoleman & Dereck team up at 6 am on a Saturday at Dereck's office for a routine day of Pro-O Propaganda called deceptively: Objective Ranking of LSU Offense in SECW LINK
They keep the ruse going for 22 pages with Dereck creating a nefarious strawman called CHICKEN's ARMY openly bashing the head Bird:
Dereck as alter Tillmanscorner: 1st Post
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I've been reading this board a good while now Ben, and a few things are clear. There is hardly ever real objectivity on here, except by posters with intellect. I see a lot of overemotional, low intelligence posters, with clear agendas. Speaking of which, chicken has a hell of an army working for him to keep it stirred up.
Honestly ben, a lot are just part of chickens army. There are a few genuinely miserable people that get upset when you post something positive, but for the most part it is pretty easy to pick out the army. I know someone involved...it is very real.
Ben this RB10 is part of the army. In fact, I know 100% that usernames are shared for the purpose of stirring the pot. You ever notice you have posters with usernames that have been on here 10 years or more, completely sound like 20 year old kids? It's true. Know it for fact. May even get banned for saying it, but it's actually pretty sickening what is allowed on here in terms of shitting on the coaches and program. I know chicken personally...he couldn't care less about lsu...all about chicken....not a very good person. This is 100% fact. FYI, Sammy and 1988 aren't in the army. Just miserable individuals. I know Sammy as well...rum graduate. Just as miserable in real life.
Ben:
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I get called an O sycophant here constantly. I'm not even close to that. This team had fallen off more than people want to admit. They will post all kinds of useless information to bolster their arguments all the while ignoring the play on the field. They'll scream scheme when the tackles are getting beat almost every play.
You idiots have been arguing for 12 pages. You are all retards. OP (DP) has had you going for 12 pages with no relief in sight. fricking hilarious.
That is what the Rant has become, deception, propaganda, and the AD endorsing the illusion of exceeding expectations. When in fact it is as Lonnie4LSU describes:
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It’s amusing that we even have to have a debate as to what descriptive word we should apply to our offense.
How about we just say, we gained less yds this season than we did last season and we fired that OC.
Let’s say we have the 10th best offense in the SEC and that’s after we just played a 7 OT game.
Let’s say we have an offense which couldn’t score a point against Bama in Tiger Stadium although Arkansas, maybe the worst team in the SEC was able to put up 30 against them.
Let’s say our current OC has'nt scored a point against Bama in two full games played in Tiger Stadium. To me, that qualifies as both disappointing and significantly under achieving.
Criticism of an LSU offense that’s ranked 10th in the SEC is not hate.
Concern over the fact that we took L’s at the hands of 2 first yr SEC coaches is not hate.
Being frustrated over a Bama distancing itself even more from LSU than ever before is not hate.
Noting that we are having a really good yr recruiting, but also noting at this time we rank 4th in the SEC is not hate.
None of that is being made up either.
Coach O has been responsible for 2 losses in 2016, 4 losses in 2017, and 3 more losses in 2018. I’m hard-pressed to find anything amazing about 9 LSU L’s in 5 games short of 3 years. Our last staff accounted for 11L’s in 3 full yrs and they were fired.
Orgeron is 0-6 vs Saban, Mullen, & Fisher: Jimbo is a beloved former LSU Coach. He sent everyone of his QBs to the NFL. DP says he left FSU in chaos which SDS refutes w/Mond's breakout in the Clemson game, 430 yds, 3 TDs, 0 INTs to show the Jimbo effect:
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Lasting, significant change only comes with the rare coaching combination of recruiting and developing players. That's Fisher. AD Woodward, who worked with Fisher at LSU, told Chancellor Sharp you want rarefied SEC dominance, pay $75 million get Fisher. That all came with a blank NC Plaque & 'Win Now' expectations because the days of underachieving are over.
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His 8 yrs at FSU: 83–23, 2013 BCS NC, 3 ACC CCs, 4 AP top 10, 4 bowl wins. 78.3% winning percentage is the highest in FSU history. Every starter on 2013 NC roster went to the NFL.
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O&E:
“I totally trust Steve and he totally trusts me,” Orgeron said, shedding light onto why Canada is no longer in the building without saying it outright. “Everyone’s pulling on the same page. One team, one heartbeat.”
“I remember my statement — ‘I’m going to go out and find the best offensive coordinator in the country.’ And I did,” Orgeron said of last year’s hire of Matt Canada. “I did all I could to do all the things I promised the fans, while all the while I had Steve Ensminger.
“Things didn’t work out. And then I said, ‘I know the best coordinator for LSU is Steve Ensminger.’ I knew that down in my heart.”
Ultimately, that phrase is the one that will define Orgeron’s tenure — even at the risk of his own job.
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This post was edited on 12/23/18 at 10:15 pm
Posted on 12/30/18 at 1:30 am to SEC Grapevine
Name one time that Dereck Ponamsky aka "Tillmanscorner/Ree" made 1 just 1 relevant; pertinent point, something meaningful rather than obsequious Props-for-Oganda.
TOP is the most useless and meaningless stat. Just take the last two ALA games in Tiger Stadium: O points, or pts/possession = 0, no matter how long you held the ball.
Stats are just averages for seasons and do not tell anything about whether you Won or Lost to the #1 team. It is obfuscation, deflection, and distraction from the simple fact "did you win or lose".
Stats lead to endless arguments 'tangled in the weeds of minutiae' while missing the big picture of how you won or lost a particular game: because of Offensive Scheme.
If you have been paying attention to the last CFP NC games since 2013 (BCS) to date Top 10 Elite Explosive Offenses, ST, & Defenses win.
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Dereck Ponansky/Ree: Did you mean to ask me about time of possession?
Posted on 12/30/18 at 12:27 pm to SEC Grapevine
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