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re: The passing game is not going to open up

Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:58 pm to
Posted by LSU Patrick
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 2:58 pm to
It will when it has to. Just be patient and enjoy the ride.
Posted by LSUNV
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Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:05 pm to
That's all fine and good, but there in lies the problem. When you face teams that can shut down your running game even with remote success and can score points you have two choices, either lose or throw the ball some and we have been doing the first too often
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:06 pm
Posted by SpookeyTiger
Williamsburg, MO
Member since Jan 2012
3532 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:10 pm to
Of course it will open up. There is a difference between opening up and 30+ attempts per game. Not many teams do that any way.

If you are attempting to say we will not be running a spread offense or air raid offense, then yes, I agree with you. Our base is our base and that is running the football. Establishing the run is not a bad thing but overall, yes, the passing game will open up as the season goes along.

Seems like in 2012 Mett didn't open it up until the Bama game then he slung it all over the yard.

Nevertheless, we shall see.

Posted by LACountyTiger
Los Angeles County
Member since Nov 2013
1338 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:12 pm to
Even the biggest Miles critics (like me) don't expect or necessarily want 30+ passes a game.

We would just like to believe that we could do it if needed to win a game.
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 3:18 pm
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

It changes now?


the change has already begun. It started from the very beginning against Miss St. only to be shut down in the 2nd half. Then against Auburn we built further on what we did against MIss St. I don't think we are going to turn back now or this time. The secret playbook has finally been opened.
Posted by jbrau22
Waco, TX
Member since Jun 2007
2134 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 3:41 pm to
I don't think anyone realistically expects this. I think all of us pumpers believe we will open up the offense. We have seen exactly 2 5 loss seasons and 1 4 loss season in Miles 10 years so how would that have been seeing "enough" 4-5 loss seasons to come to any conclusion.

quote:

Are we going to wait on LES to get the passing game rolling?? Good luck


Oh...nevermind...


PS Just to play Devil's advocate...below are last years passing stats vs Ole Miss and Bama respectively. Sure we lost the Bama game, but anyone watching that game realizes that we lost due to a late game collapse far more than our offensive scheme. Again, I am not saying this is what I want for our passing game, nor what I expect for it. But it seems pretty foolish to just proclaim that that recipe "will not win in the SEC".


LSU Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Anthony Jennings 8/16 142 8.9 1 2 32.8
TEAM 8/16 142 8.9 1 2 --


LSU Passing
C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT QBR
Anthony Jennings 8/26 76 2.9 1 1 11.6
TEAM 8/26 76 2.9 1 1 --
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
38280 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 5:42 pm to
The sky is falling

The sky is falling
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:08 pm to
quote:

Miles sticks with what he knows, and when he has the talent
and even when he doesn't have the talent
Posted by Tiger_n_ATL
Atlanta
Member since Jul 2005
32453 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:11 pm to
quote:

. When you face teams that can shut down your running game even with remote success and can score points
. In part that's why we've lost 5 games in 5 years in the last 4 minutes of the 4th quarter.
Posted by KCinDC
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2007
1520 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:28 pm to
OK, so let's base it on an entire 13 game season.

Is this the stat line of a coach who will never, ever, throw the football?

Rush attempts: 450
Net rush yards: 2155
Pass attempts: 368
Pass completions: 245
Passing yards: 3272

That's 28 pass attempts per game (the earlier-mentioned standard for "slinging it around" is 30) and just over 250 yards per game. Way more passing yards than rushing.

These stats are for a Les Miles-coached LSU team.

Perfectly fine to say that you're ready to see the 2015 team open up the passing game more, and will need to do so in some of the games between now and November.

But to say that a Les Miles-coached team would never throw the football?

Sorry - the facts simply don't support that.

Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:32 pm to
what year was that?
Posted by KCinDC
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2007
1520 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:35 pm to
At the risk of piling on here - it's not just two games. Go back and review the plays run in the cancelled McNeese game. Okay, the first play was a toss power to LF (the ultra-conservative play to open each game, which is only averaging about 25 yards per play) but the other plays showed a variety of looks, personnel, passes, etc. Why isn't that a better indication of how CLM might use the non-conference games than is the 2014 season?
Posted by KCinDC
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2007
1520 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:38 pm to
Glad you asked - 2006.
Posted by MardiGrasCajun
Dirty Coast, MS
Member since Sep 2005
5360 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 6:55 pm to
quote:

There is no reason to believe Harris will have 30+ attempts in a game any time in his career.


quote:

what in the past 10 years of watching Les makes you think so?


Ummm...

This is the average attempts per game under Miles:

2014 21.5 (Would you toss it around with Jennings?)
2013 25.0
2012 27.5
2011 20.1
2010 23.1
2009 25.9
2008 30.6...say what?
2007 31.6...again?
2006 28.2
2005 28.2

My point is Miles will sling it when he's comfortable with his QB.

Side note..Nat'l champs attempts ranking per game last 10 years:
Ohio State 104th.
Florida St 70th
Alabama 112th
Alabama 90th
Auburn 113th
Alabama 102nd
Florida 113th
LSU 73rd
Florida 62nd
Texas 105th

The folks making the Top 50 in passing attempts don't win National Championships. Good coaches know the run wins championships.



This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 7:01 pm
Posted by Mulat
Avalon Bch, FL
Member since Sep 2010
17517 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:13 pm to
quote:

It will open up. No where to go but more open.
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3238 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 7:43 pm to
quote:

Miles sticks with what he knows, and when he has the talent


I've asked you repeatedly, but who would you suggest in place of Les Miles?

You would be critical of anyone, because that is your entertainment. He will be recorded as the best coach in LSU history, and one of the best ever in the SEC, and you will continue to bitch about how he could have been better.

How many friends do you have? Are you married? Do your kids like you?
Posted by jumpup123
Member since Jan 2015
181 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:10 pm to
I think we will throw the ball more as the season goes on. We will have to. I don't think we will run for that many yards against some of the defences we will face.
Posted by PurpleNGold
Tiger Stadium
Member since Mar 2006
953 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 8:58 pm to
quote:

The folks making the Top 50 in passing attempts don't win National Championships. Good coaches know the run wins championships.


Yep, that's half of the old axiom with the other half being, "stopping the run".

It always seems the teams that run successfully can also pass with success when necessary. Which of course means they are not one dimensional at all.

So, in order to remain a dominate running team LSU will have to show the ability to complete passes. This is especially true if an opponent has a measure of success hampering our rushing attack (i.e. loading the box, etc.)
This post was edited on 9/22/15 at 9:16 pm
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:04 pm to
If you want a good guideline as to what we will likely see over the next few weeks, look back to the first half of the 2011 season with Lee at QB. I know, different QB style, different OC, yada, yada, yada. Still, there were enough weapons on that team that they slowly did open things up over the course of 4-5 games. It may be mostly looking for big plays down the field, but we're going to see the staff progressively ask more and more of Harris through the first half of the season. However, while the staff may ask more of him, that likely won't mean a lot more passes. I think we will mainly see more diversity, and more deep shots unless we get behind Ina game by multiple scores.
Posted by boxcar willie
kenner
Member since Mar 2011
16035 posts
Posted on 9/22/15 at 10:12 pm to
quote:

It will when it has to. Just be patient and enjoy the ride


well that's one of the problems right there. If you wait until you have to pass to start passing, it's to late. You're not going to be successful if you haven't already worked on it in live game situations. It takes time to develop a passing game. You have to work on getting the timing down and get the QB use to throwing and the recievers use to running routes and catching in live game situations long before it's time that "you have to"
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