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re: The one thing that made me feel better...depth charts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:19 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:19 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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He's a great player. One of our nose tackles is a true freshman though. He's already one of the strongest players on the team. It's not inconceivable to think that Daron Payne will be as good as A'shawn in two years
That is the other side of this story through. Yall have a true freshman that is really good and a part of the rotation. LSU has been starting freshmen in key positions for the last 3-4 years. Next year should be the first year that should not be true outside of for maybe linebacker.
I think Pocic probably comes back to show he can play left tackle so LSU will have to replace maybe 2 offensive lineman but have actually finally recruited very well in that regard and should be able to produce a talented and good unit their even if Hawkins decides to declare. I don't know if it is a forgone conclusion that Dural goes but WR is probably the position we can most easily replace so would be nice if he comes back but not devastating. Jeter is not going. It would not shock me if both Neal and LaCouture leave but I would also not be incredible surprised if they both stayed. If they do come back, LSU might finally have D-line play that we used to expect. I am assuming that Beckwith is going to the league but I am holding out hope that he wants to stay close to home for another year. I would be absolutely shocked if White decided to stay but suspect Jefferson and Thomas will both stick around. I am just hoping we can make win out this year and make the real push next year.
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:23 am to Tiger Roux
quote:100% accurate, and Miles hadn't done much to convince them to stay until this year.
they will have seniors all over the field next year too. they dont get enough playing time as freshmen and soph. to get on NFL radars so they play as juniors and seniors. many of LSU's best players leave early because they get early playing time. Tigers would have a much better record over the past several years if we could have just been able to keep our underclassmen.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:25 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:26 am to glaucon
So it's the wait till next year thing again 
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:28 am to SabiDojo
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Their offense isn't very good. This was our chance to win the SEC. You think next year is going to be easier?
Yes, actually. We just covered Alabama and as noted they should lose by far their best asset of that mediocre offense next year. Ole Miss has probably missed their window as many of their best players should be gone next year. Auburn may not be a dumbster fire next season but who knows. State losses Dak. A&M should be better but who knows given how this season has gone for them. Arkansas could be better but they have to replace their qb and more.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:30 am to say when
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o it's the wait till next year thing again
No, it is try and win out while praying for a miracle and then wait till next year.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:34 am to Tiger Roux
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hey will have seniors all over the field next year too. they dont get enough playing time as freshmen and soph. to get on NFL radars so they play as juniors and seniors.
many of LSU's best players leave early because they get early playing time.
Tigers would have a much better record over the past several years if we could have just been able to keep our underclassme
This post says maybe everything that need to be said about the two programs. If you try to come up with the whys and implications of it, it's really something.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:40 am to uway
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This post says maybe everything that need to be said about the two programs. If you try to come up with the whys and implications of it, it's really something.
Just have to break the cycle somehow. LSU's sophomores being so good may put us back on the path of being able to field an experienced team. Well, at least that is my hope.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:42 am to Lebowski
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Since Saban has been at Bama when has there been a drop off? They won the SEC and made the playoff with a converted RB playing QB.
Bama doesn't drop off!
When you say it like that, it's mere hyperbole.
Sure, they're consistently good. But they are also beatable. They lost a game this year already, they lost a couple of games last year, etc.
And the OP is right with regards to the advantage that Bama had with it's more experienced players. Bama is a big strong team; when those big strong players are juniors and seniors, they are usually a little bigger, stronger, more mature and have better technique than big, strong freshmen & sophomores. In a physical game like this, coupled with their better depth, Bama was able to rotate in and stay fresh. This was not the only reason they won, but it definitely played a role and helped them pull away in the second half when LSU's D got tired.
I'm not sure how quickly LSU can fill in the holes on the depth chart. In truth, if Bama loses a ton of experience next year, LSU still might not have an advantage on the lines. The litany of losses on the DL (Bain, Valentine, LMFAO) will make it so that we still don't have an experience advantage next year and may be leaning on the incoming freshmen to have a healthy rotation.
I'd say if the coaching staff is mostly stable, it will take two years to stabilize the depth chart on the defensive side. DL and LB have been too thin the past couple years for it to be otherwise.
As for the OL, it will be a shame to lose Pocic next year, but I feel a little encouraged that there's some talented young players already here that should continue to develop. This year they were a little young, so it isn't entirely surprising that they weren't ready for this game.
But back to the point. Bama will be beatable next year, just as they were and are this year. This year, we just matched up poorly and they exploited our weaknesses better than we did theirs. But, painful as it was, I think this was a good learning experience for some of LSU's younger players. A rematch this year is not likely, but if it does somehow come to be, then I think LSU may fare better.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:52 am to epbart
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The litany of losses on the DL (Bain, Valentine, LMFAO) will make it so that we still don't have an experience advantage next year and may be leaning on the incoming freshmen to have a healthy rotation.
It is really unfortunate that none of those three worked out. We would have had a good rotation this year if they had stayed. That said, finding a true freshman or two that can contribute is not inconceivable in terms of finding folks that can be a part of the rotation. I am very hopeful that it could be pretty damn good next year. That said, you are right about the LB and they will will probably be a complete mess unless we are very, very lucky.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:11 am to glaucon
The player I most regret LSU not landing last year was Kenny Young. I have no issues with him. He handled his recruitment with class and simply wanted to go to UCLA. I wish him luck. I just wish he would've come here as I think he would've been a difference maker.
Going to hope we have a couple of outliers on tap who are not only physically talented, but are savvy enough (like Tyrann M.) to step in and become playmakers right away.
Going to hope we have a couple of outliers on tap who are not only physically talented, but are savvy enough (like Tyrann M.) to step in and become playmakers right away.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:13 am to glaucon
I noticed that too.
I didn't realize going into game exp and age wise there was this much difference.
I didn't realize going into game exp and age wise there was this much difference.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:21 am to Makinbacon
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I didn't realize going into game exp and age wise there was this much difference.
Felt the same way.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:28 am to epbart
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The player I most regret LSU not landing last year was Kenny Young.
There was another linebacker this last cycle we lost out on that would have also been nice to have.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:33 am to glaucon
What I think are the 4 biggest things that will turn them downward next year
1) They lose their starting QB - Yes I know they reload and have depth there, but if Coker was the best of that group of talent, then they have problems.
LSU has made every QB look better than they are this year, but Coker just looked like his typical self against us, at home. Our secondary didn't give up near as many wide open passes like in games prior, and I see that continuing to improve and will be better next year.
2) They lose their top 2 RBs - When is the last time that Bama has lost both top RBs? When is the last time their #3 RB has had such little impact? Their #3 has 100 yards and 3.39 ypc with zero TDs. They will start from complete scratch next year.
08 Coffee, Ingram, Upchurch
09 Ingram, Richardson, Upchurch
10 Ingram, Richardson, Lacy
11 Richardson, Lacy, Fowler
12 Lacy, Yeldon, Drake
13 Yeldon, Drake, Henry
14 Yeldon, Henry, Drake
15 Drake, Henry, Harris???
16 Harris ???
Their OL is not good, it was simply the fact that our DL played a bad game, even early on. Depth is definitely a problem too, as well as size on our line.
3) They WILL lose all but one starter in that ridiculous front 7. Two of the 7 are not seniors. A'Shawn will go first round if he declares, but I think Foster comes back. I don't care who you are or how much depth you think you have. Losing 6 of your 7 defensive starters is ridiculous and especially considering about 3 or 4 of them will go in the first round.
4) They WILL lose Kirby Smart. It is inevitable with all of these jobs up for grabs. This guy has been waiting and waiting.
1) They lose their starting QB - Yes I know they reload and have depth there, but if Coker was the best of that group of talent, then they have problems.
LSU has made every QB look better than they are this year, but Coker just looked like his typical self against us, at home. Our secondary didn't give up near as many wide open passes like in games prior, and I see that continuing to improve and will be better next year.
2) They lose their top 2 RBs - When is the last time that Bama has lost both top RBs? When is the last time their #3 RB has had such little impact? Their #3 has 100 yards and 3.39 ypc with zero TDs. They will start from complete scratch next year.
08 Coffee, Ingram, Upchurch
09 Ingram, Richardson, Upchurch
10 Ingram, Richardson, Lacy
11 Richardson, Lacy, Fowler
12 Lacy, Yeldon, Drake
13 Yeldon, Drake, Henry
14 Yeldon, Henry, Drake
15 Drake, Henry, Harris???
16 Harris ???
Their OL is not good, it was simply the fact that our DL played a bad game, even early on. Depth is definitely a problem too, as well as size on our line.
3) They WILL lose all but one starter in that ridiculous front 7. Two of the 7 are not seniors. A'Shawn will go first round if he declares, but I think Foster comes back. I don't care who you are or how much depth you think you have. Losing 6 of your 7 defensive starters is ridiculous and especially considering about 3 or 4 of them will go in the first round.
4) They WILL lose Kirby Smart. It is inevitable with all of these jobs up for grabs. This guy has been waiting and waiting.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 11:48 am to Lebowski
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Since Saban has been at Bama when has there been a drop off? They won the SEC and made the playoff with a converted RB playing QB.
That dude was not a converted RB. Got damn stop running around with that stupid stuff. Plus they had freaking Amari Cooper and the ever impressive front 7.
Coker is a drop off from Sims like Ridley is a drop off from Cooper. The OL has not gotten better this year and that showed in every game prior to LSU (IDK WTF happened here). The secondary is feast or famine. A good QB with a good scheme and decent WRs can light Bama up, aka Prescott and Miss St.
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Bama doesn't drop off!
Bama will most definitely drop off some next year. You don't lose 6 of 7 starters in the front 7 (especially like the one they have), the only two RBs that do anything, and the starting QB, and not feel a dropoff. When has that all happened in the same season for Bama since Saban has been there?
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:20 pm to Datbayoubengal
Certainly there's a possiblity that they may drop off. But for Bama a dropoff still puts them squarely in the SEC championship race. When LSU drops off we go 8-5 or 9-4. I think that is what is so frustrating. 
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:41 pm to glaucon
I agree. LSU will be the best team in the SEC next year. BAMA will have a serious drop.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:43 pm to Datbayoubengal
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1) They lose their starting QB - Yes I know they reload and have depth there, but if Coker was the best of that group of talent, then they have problems
If Kiffin can turn Coker into a competent QB WE'RE the ones who are in trouble, my friend.
And Alabama has a couple of guys, RB's, coming in who are supposed to be pretty monstrous.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:48 pm to Datbayoubengal
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definitely drop off some next year. You don't lose 6 of 7 starters in the front 7 (especially like the one they have), the only two RBs that do anything, and the starting QB, and not feel a dropoff. When has that all happened in the same season for Bama since Saban has been there?
Outside of QB, this happened in 2012. Lost 9 starters on defense and Trent Richardson from the 2011 team.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 12:49 pm to FightinTiga
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but once again ala 1/9,potential weapons were not utilized
Uh, what weapons were not utilized? We ran our best back at them; we threw to Desean Smith, Malachi Dupree, Travin Dural, Tyron Johnson, Foster Moreau (maybe), Fournette; we haf Guice and Donte returning kicks and punts. What weapons were not utilized?
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