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The one thing that made me feel better...depth charts
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:38 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:38 am
Well, that was a depressing weekend. I have barely been sleeping for two days and recovering from an awful hangover. Something happened this morning when I couldn't sleep again at 3:30 in the morning. I remembered Gary and Verne talking about the seniors on Alabama's team so I checked their depth chart and this is what I found.
Bama has 7 players on both their offensive and defensive 2 deep that are seniors. They have 12 senior starters in total. They have 5 juniors on offense and 6 juniors on defense on their 2 deep and they have 6 junior starters. Thus, they have 18 junior and senior starters on their team and Derrick Henry and Ashawn Robinson have to be in line for 1st round grades so this should be their last year. It also doesn't seem inconceivable that Eddie Jackson and Reuben Foster may also declare. From the above breakdown, Bama may be replacing up to 16 starters (not to mention the loss of experienced depth) next year that includes their entire backfield on offense and most of their front 7 on defense.
LSU has 1 senior on offense and 3 seniors on defense on the 2 deep. They have 3 senior starters. There are 5 juniors on offense and 8 juniors on defense on the 2 deep. They also have 9 junior starters in total. It is not out of the realm of possibility that LSU has to replace 12 starters on next years team but given this list of those 9 juniors (Dural, Hawkins, Pocic, Jeter, Neal, LaCouture, Thomas, Jefferson, White, Beckwith), I think it is at least a fairly reasonable expectation that at least 4-6 of them come back next year.
I think it is a reasonable analysis of the above numbers that it wasn't so much that Bama was dramatically more talented than LSU but that their team was more experienced and have had a much longer time in their program. Having quality seniors can make a huge difference for any program just look at Miss State's run last year and it is pretty ridiculous for such a team to be formed at a team that recruits as well as Bama. We can bemoan the state of the LSU program and complain about terrible coaching (such arguments are fair) but sometimes you just are playing a better team and get beat. Next year, Bama is not going to have anything even close to their experience advantage they had this year and lose most of their biggest impact players off of this years team. They may also finally see Kirby Smart take a head coaching gig. Likewise, LSU could conceivably bring back every skill player on offense, 4 out of 5 on the offensive line, the whole 2 deep on the defensive line, and most of the secondary that will all be a little older and better than they were this year.
I am sure I will be down voted into oblivion but it made me feel a little better and see some light at the end of the tunnel so I thought I would share.
Bama has 7 players on both their offensive and defensive 2 deep that are seniors. They have 12 senior starters in total. They have 5 juniors on offense and 6 juniors on defense on their 2 deep and they have 6 junior starters. Thus, they have 18 junior and senior starters on their team and Derrick Henry and Ashawn Robinson have to be in line for 1st round grades so this should be their last year. It also doesn't seem inconceivable that Eddie Jackson and Reuben Foster may also declare. From the above breakdown, Bama may be replacing up to 16 starters (not to mention the loss of experienced depth) next year that includes their entire backfield on offense and most of their front 7 on defense.
LSU has 1 senior on offense and 3 seniors on defense on the 2 deep. They have 3 senior starters. There are 5 juniors on offense and 8 juniors on defense on the 2 deep. They also have 9 junior starters in total. It is not out of the realm of possibility that LSU has to replace 12 starters on next years team but given this list of those 9 juniors (Dural, Hawkins, Pocic, Jeter, Neal, LaCouture, Thomas, Jefferson, White, Beckwith), I think it is at least a fairly reasonable expectation that at least 4-6 of them come back next year.
I think it is a reasonable analysis of the above numbers that it wasn't so much that Bama was dramatically more talented than LSU but that their team was more experienced and have had a much longer time in their program. Having quality seniors can make a huge difference for any program just look at Miss State's run last year and it is pretty ridiculous for such a team to be formed at a team that recruits as well as Bama. We can bemoan the state of the LSU program and complain about terrible coaching (such arguments are fair) but sometimes you just are playing a better team and get beat. Next year, Bama is not going to have anything even close to their experience advantage they had this year and lose most of their biggest impact players off of this years team. They may also finally see Kirby Smart take a head coaching gig. Likewise, LSU could conceivably bring back every skill player on offense, 4 out of 5 on the offensive line, the whole 2 deep on the defensive line, and most of the secondary that will all be a little older and better than they were this year.
I am sure I will be down voted into oblivion but it made me feel a little better and see some light at the end of the tunnel so I thought I would share.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:40 am
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Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:40 am to glaucon
yes
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:40 am to glaucon
I feel better knowing Ole Stubborn Les is one day closer to retirement.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:44 am to km
No big deal, loose one 5-star player-insert another in his place with little to no drop-off in ability.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:45 am to glaucon
I completely agree, this makes a huge difference. However, LSU's coaching staff has to realize this and say we can't go running into a brick wall. Stupid not to try something out of the normal scope to keep Alabama off balance/gain some sort of advantage. LSU coaches had to have seen the film. Stubborn.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:47 am to glaucon
they will have seniors all over the field next year too. they dont get enough playing time as freshmen and soph. to get on NFL radars so they play as juniors and seniors.
many of LSU's best players leave early because they get early playing time.
Tigers would have a much better record over the past several years if we could have just been able to keep our underclassmen.
many of LSU's best players leave early because they get early playing time.
Tigers would have a much better record over the past several years if we could have just been able to keep our underclassmen.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:51 am to glaucon
I also would have taken this loss better if we had won the 2 games of the last 5 that we should have won. I imagine that's most of the source of all this.
Fans have just gotten desperate for a win. If we had those 2 under our belt we all would have been slightly less of a meltdown.
Fans have just gotten desperate for a win. If we had those 2 under our belt we all would have been slightly less of a meltdown.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 9:53 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:51 am to tonydtiger
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No big deal, loose one 5-star player-insert another in his place with little to no drop-off in ability.
It is a big deal when that 5 star is a senior rather than a true freshman. That Bama defense was built and formed over the past couple years and didn't just appear out of whole cloth. Give Saban credit for getting those players to stick around longer than Les has but it doesn't change the fact that Saban will have a whole hell of a lot to rebuild next year. As long as LSU does not completely implode down the stretch we could either luck our way into the playoff (weirder shite has happened in college football) or go on and play in the Sugar Bowl and be set to start high next year. Either way, I have decided to stop mourning and move on to the future.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:54 am to Teddy Ruxpin
"Fans have just gotten desperate for a win. If we had those 2 under our belt we all would have been slightly less of a meltdown."
Agreed. This is certainly part of the frustration, mine included.
Agreed. This is certainly part of the frustration, mine included.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:55 am to glaucon
Since Saban has been at Bama when has there been a drop off? They won the SEC and made the playoff with a converted RB playing QB.
Bama doesn't drop off!
Bama doesn't drop off!
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:57 am to Tiger Roux
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Tigers would have a much better record over the past several years if we could have just been able to keep our underclassmen.
Next year we won't have a senior laden team but I am pretty sure next year we should return a team with a starting lineup that will have had already accumulated more starts than we have in a very long time.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 9:59 am to glaucon
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that Saban will have a whole hell of a lot to rebuild next year.
I mean..this is every year. We start two former 5 stars on the d line this year. We'll start two former 5 stars on the d line next year (a sophomore and a junior). Our recruiting is emphasized on the offensive line and front seven. Luckily the state of Alabama produces great high school linebackers, we have been fortunate in that regard to have an anchor in the middle of the defense every year
Ryans, Mcclain, Mosley, Ragland, Foster are all homegrown players. We're after two good ones this year. We're fortunate in that regard. The state produces linebackers like Louisiana produces running backs
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:01 am
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:00 am to Lebowski
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Since Saban has been at Bama when has there been a drop off?
I didn't say a drop off, I just pointed out that they have to replace pretty much all of their stand out players on both sides of the ball.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:02 am to Riseupfromtherubble
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I mean..this is every year.
Ashawn Robinson is not every year. Seriously, that is the best defensive lineman I have seen is a while. He was unreal Saturday.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:05 am to glaucon
He's a great player. One of our nose tackles is a true freshman though. He's already one of the strongest players on the team. It's not inconceivable to think that Daron Payne will be as good as A'shawn in two years
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:06 am to glaucon
Despite the favorable opinon of "fire everybody" that seems to be going around, we need to maintain our current recruiting rate, which it looks like we are doing. Once we have the horses at LB and DL to go with our Secondary, we will be pretty damn tough to beat. Offense needs to keep building. Everyone is pissed, but it was a hell of a lot more open than it was last year and we were down an elite blocking TE and FB. We couldn't seal the edge with Gordon and JDM wasn't there to pick up that initial defender in the backfield. This year was hoped to be a 2-3 loss season. We are very much on track to do that. Next year we will be very much a veteran team and it should be a different story getting Bama at home. All you can do is hope for growth as a team year in and year out.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:08 am to glaucon
Doesn't matter Les is still the coach here and Saban is the coach there.
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:09 am to Riseupfromtherubble
Bama wins that game on D front 7 alone no matter what IMO but once again ala 1/9,potential weapons were not utilized
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:11 am to glaucon
Their offense isn't very good. This was our chance to win the SEC. You think next year is going to be easier? Lol
Posted on 11/9/15 at 10:11 am to glaucon
quote:
Well, that was a depressing weekend. I have barely been sleeping for two days and recovering from an awful hangover. Something happened this morning when I couldn't sleep again at 3:30 in the morning. I remembered Gary and Verne talking about the seniors on Alabama's team so I checked their depth chart and this is what I found.
Bama has 7 players on both their offensive and defensive 2 deep that are seniors. They have 12 senior starters in total. They have 5 juniors on offense and 6 juniors on defense on their 2 deep and they have 6 junior starters. Thus, they have 18 junior and senior starters on their team and Derrick Henry and Ashawn Robinson have to be in line for 1st round grades so this should be their last year. It also doesn't seem inconceivable that Eddie Jackson and Reuben Foster may also declare. From the above breakdown, Bama may be replacing up to 16 starters (not to mention the loss of experienced depth) next year that includes their entire backfield on offense and most of their front 7 on defense.
LSU has 1 senior on offense and 3 seniors on defense on the 2 deep. They have 3 senior starters. There are 5 juniors on offense and 8 juniors on defense on the 2 deep. They also have 9 junior starters in total. It is not out of the realm of possibility that LSU has to replace 12 starters on next years team but given this list of those 9 juniors (Dural, Hawkins, Pocic, Jeter, Neal, LaCouture, Thomas, Jefferson, White, Beckwith), I think it is at least a fairly reasonable expectation that at least 4-6 of them come back next year.
I think it is a reasonable analysis of the above numbers that it wasn't so much that Bama was dramatically more talented than LSU but that their team was more experienced and have had a much longer time in their program. Having quality seniors can make a huge difference for any program just look at Miss State's run last year and it is pretty ridiculous for such a team to be formed at a team that recruits as well as Bama. We can bemoan the state of the LSU program and complain about terrible coaching (such arguments are fair) but sometimes you just are playing a better team and get beat. Next year, Bama is not going to have anything even close to their experience advantage they had this year and lose most of their biggest impact players off of this years team. They may also finally see Kirby Smart take a head coaching gig. Likewise, LSU could conceivably bring back every skill player on offense, 4 out of 5 on the offensive line, the whole 2 deep on the defensive line, and most of the secondary that will all be a little older and better than they were this year.
I am sure I will be down voted into oblivion but it made me feel a little better and see some light at the end of the tunnel so I thought I would share.
I agree with everything you've said here.
Back in 2010, 2011, and 2012, we rotated a bunch of guys on OUR DLine as well. But, for some reason the recruiting there fell off. Many on this board have blamed Chavis and Brick Haley for this. But after re-watching the game last night, I was able to step back from the ledge a little bit (
) and look at it with reasonable eyes. We have to rebuild our depth on the interior, in addition to the coaching that we're getting now from Orgeron and Grimes. When I went back and watched it, our DLine didn't perform poorly until well into the second half. They did pretty well the first half (although not as good as Bama's DLine). We're still a good team. We still have good talent..................but we are gonna have to rebuild our depth on the interior in order to compete with a team like Bama. We can compete with EVERYBODY else, but them. So, we don't have nearly as far to go as it actually appeared on Saturday night........................although that was a very tough pill to swallow.
P.S. We also need to stave off the mass exodous of juniors that has killed our depth the past few year. For some reason Bama is able to keep a lot of seniors but, we aren't. That has a lot to do with it as well.
This post was edited on 11/9/15 at 10:14 am
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