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re: The legacy of Lee and Les and how they're intertwined
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:07 pm to The Gooch
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:07 pm to The Gooch
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This is the example that let me know that some people are JL fans and not fans of LSU. There are a number of people that refer to this game as a "great game" for JL but they wouldn't say the same for JJ.
I wouldn't call this a great game for either QB but I would call it a typical game for both....
Was kind of my impression, as well.
I was a bit surprised at how many people celebrated his performance that game, considering how marginal it was.
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Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:12 pm to OBUDan
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vs. WVU - 16/28, 180 yards, 3 TDs
He played decently in this game, but was allowed to throw it from the 1 yard line after Mathieu forced a TO.
he also put a TD pass right on Randle's #2 that he dropped. woulda been TD #4. thought this was his best game.
can't believe Les didn't play him last Monday. frick you Leslie.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:17 pm to The Gooch
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This is the example that let me know that some people are JL fans and not fans of LSU. There are a number of people that refer to this game as a "great game" for JL but they wouldn't say the same for JJ.
I wouldn't call this a great game for either QB but I would call it a typical game for both....
I don't think anyone thought it was a great game. They were happy he threw a TD pass and didn't turn it over. Lot of people still had no faith in him before that game to play mistake free. He did make a couple of nice throws in that game but a lot of missed opportunity as well. Of course, he was a guy who was getting starting reps just a week before the game.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:23 pm to ATLTiger
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he also put a TD pass right on Randle's #2 that he dropped. woulda been TD #4
True, I meant to mention that.
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can't believe Les didn't play him last Monday.
Me either.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Of course, he was a guy who was getting starting reps just a week before the game.
I see people say this a lot.
But how exactly would that be any different than any other week?
Posted on 1/19/12 at 3:30 pm to OBUDan
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I see people say this a lot.
But how exactly would that be any different than any other week?
I guess any new starter with a week to prepare as such would face the same obstacles. It has more to do with preparing to be the guy than preparing for Oregon. It's my understanding the LSU offense was geared to JJ being QB.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 4:25 pm to ATLTiger
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he also put a TD pass right on Randle's #2 that he dropped. woulda been TD #4. thought this was his best game.
In an SEC-style, hostile environment against a team that blitzed all night long it was a fine performance. The pass RR dropped was perfectly thrown.
Posted on 1/19/12 at 6:24 pm to OBUDan
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vs. Oregon - 10/22, 98 yards, 1 TD, 97.9 rating
This is the game that started the impression I am "anti-Lee" because how dare I suggest this wasn't a good game? The numbers were about as unimpressive as the performance.
This is when people started questioning your objectivity. A guy who only had 8 days of practice was having balls dropped that were hitting the WRs in BOTH hands, and you were saying they were uncatchable???
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vs. Kentucky 8/21 169 yards, 1 TD
Abysmal performance made to look better by a miracle TD catch and run by OBJ.
This is when people start questioning your dislike of Lees skin color. The announcers themselves counted 8 dropped passes by halftime. EIGHT. This was also JJs 1st game back. Who got rushed in to take away a TD op from Lee on the 2nd series
The offense ran under Lee was head and shoulders above what was run under JJ. Miles fricked up by not leaving Lee as starter and bringing in JJ when appropriate. LSU needed only avg QB play to win the BCS. Lee gave us that hope. Miles embraced poor QB play. No one can understand it, nor do we understand anyone who supported it.
So any celebrating of Lee is not about him being all world, but him being able to move the chains and let the playmakers win the game
JJ wanted in to be, THE playmaker
Lee knew his role. JJ didnt
Posted on 1/19/12 at 6:34 pm to RobbBobb
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This is when people started questioning your objectivity.
For questioning the majority of the rant's objectivity? Within 24 hours after the game there were comparisons to Luck, talk about heisman and the majority of threads on the first page were about how "great" he played. Usually revisionist history takes longer than a few hours. I don't think his breakdown thread was appropriate at that particular time but I also didn't see a problem with trying to provide some realistic perspective. I realize everyone was pumped that we won but there was a lot of bullshite being posted.
ETA: Just saw this and "I am disappoint".
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This is when people start questioning your dislike of Lees skin color.
This post was edited on 1/19/12 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 1/19/12 at 7:11 pm to junkfunky
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ETA: Just saw this and "I am disappoint".
Sorry to disappoint, but had the argument been between Lee and Hatch, or Davey & JJ. The fans would have wanted Lee, and wanted Davey. Win, lose, or draw. But there are those that, despite all the evidence to the contrary, still argue that JJ was the only option to win the BCS. Those people have other reasons than football. Because it has been proven, embarassingly, not to be remotely true
Worst offensive output. In history!
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:03 am to RobbBobb
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This is when people started questioning your objectivity. A guy who only had 8 days of practice was having balls dropped that were hitting the WRs in BOTH hands, and you were saying they were uncatchable???
He didn't have a great game statistically but he did have some nice balls thrown
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Some of those drops were awful
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:05 am to RobbBobb
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This is when people started questioning your objectivity. A guy who only had 8 days of practice was having balls dropped that were hitting the WRs in BOTH hands, and you were saying they were uncatchable???
The drops in this game were overstated.
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This is when people start questioning your dislike of Lees skin color.
Da frick? You realize I'm white, right?
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The announcers themselves counted 8 dropped passes by halftime.
There were some drops. Correct. There were also a good number of poor throws. And none of that had anything to do with Lee's skin color.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:06 am to junkfunky
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For questioning the majority of the rant's objectivity? Within 24 hours after the game there were comparisons to Luck, talk about heisman and the majority of threads on the first page were about how "great" he played. Usually revisionist history takes longer than a few hours. I don't think his breakdown thread was appropriate at that particular time but I also didn't see a problem with trying to provide some realistic perspective. I realize everyone was pumped that we won but there was a lot of bullshite being posted.
Thanks.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:07 am to junkfunky
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For questioning the majority of the rant's objectivity? Within 24 hours after the game there were comparisons to Luck, talk about heisman and the majority of threads on the first page were about how "great" he played.
Christ, that's ridiculous. Some of you people have really fricked up memories.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Some of you people have really fricked up memories.
I think you do.
I can bump the "Lee is better than Luck" thread.
There were tons of rave on Lee threads. Just like there were tons of people who said Tebow was the reason the Broncos were winning.
But you seem to be the only one who doesn't think those things ever happened.
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:14 am to OBUDan
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I think you do.
I can bump the "Lee is better than Luck" thread.
But you seem to be the only one who doesn't think those things ever happened.
Yeah, those few "Lee played great" threads sure chapped your arse for the whole year, no doubt. You will probably need therapy to recover from his success this year.
"Most of the threads" on the first page at no point were about how awesome he was. People were thrilled LSU won and were excited he didn't turn it over. There were a few people really excited about his play but hell, there are people who still think JJ is one of the best QB;s to play at LSU. The majority of threads were not about how awesome Lee was.
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There were tons of rave on Lee threads. Just like there were tons of people who said Tebow was the reason the Broncos were winning.
Tons isn't exactly a great unit of measurement when referring to people.
You can bump the Lee is better than luck thread which would be amusing in it's own right.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 11:16 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:15 am to OBUDan
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The drops in this game were overstated.
Not really
The balls to Clement and Boone in the first quarter would have both been big plays and the balls were on the money
The one to Beckham in the first I'll say the ball may have been late. Defender made a nice play on the ball.
Outside of maybe 3 throws he had a pretty good game IMO
You're always going to have a couple of throw aways. His worst pass was probably the one that went behind Peterson
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:17 am to Powerman
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Not really
You linked the video. There were like 4 consecutive clips of awful throws.
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The balls to Clement
The one was high and over the middle and probably should have been caught.
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Boone in the first quarter would have both been big plays and the balls were on the money
That ball was so not on the money. Now, the pressure caused him to throw off his back foot, but he short armed the hell out of it and Boone had to slow up and come back to make a play on the ball.
There was a safety over the top too, so I wonder what would have happened if he had time to deliver it.
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His worst pass was probably the one that went behind Peterson
Or the one he threw to Ford, who wasn't looking. Good thing there wasn't a LB there like in the MNC.
This post was edited on 1/20/12 at 11:18 am
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:19 am to OBUDan
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That ball was so not on the money. Now, the pressure caused him to throw off his back foot, but he short armed the hell out of it and Boone had to slow up and come back to make a play on the ball.
Yeah it's called a back shoulder throw and it was right on the money you moron
You expect WRs to come back and make plays on the ball like that
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Or the one he threw to Ford, who wasn't looking. Good thing there wasn't a LB there like in the MNC.
Right
That was poor as well
Posted on 1/20/12 at 11:20 am to saintsfan22
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He threw a pick six on the 1st play against UGA and a pick on the 3rd play against Bama.
Referring to the 2008 season...
If I recall correctly, the int. on the 3rd play against Bama hit D. Byrd in the #2 on his chest and bounced into the air for an easy int.
Way to pile on though.
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