re: The legacy of Lee and Les and how they're intertwined

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But even during an 8-5 season Lee saved Miles. Anything I have in quotations will be from lsusports.net

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The best thing that could have happened to lee was getting hurt against ole miss because he was like 1 of 7 for 13 yards and an Interception or two. Les was committed to LEE and was not going to pull him out regardless of how Lee appeared to be mentally fried due to national ridicule and relentless heckling from the fanbase. Honestly, the return to stability and in my opinion was when the reigns were turned over to JJ. I know that will be up to debate but Lee proved time and again when LES wanted to depend on Lee and give him the reigns he couldn't perform under pressure. Tried to give him the reigns in 2009 when JJ got hurt in BAMA game,,,Lee sucked it up in the BAMA game then followed it up with an absolutely horrible game against LA TECH. He tried to give him the reigns in 2010 for a struggling JJ and LEE came out and threw 2 horrible INT's against Tennessee even though driving LSU down to the 1 for the oppurtunity to win it at the end. People keep talking bout bama 2010, but all he did was throw a first down completion in that game to seal. LES wanted to ride LEE this year but his spotty play against underwhelming stats this year with his reversion against BAMA proved too much for ole LES to bear....I appreciate Lee for his contributions and believe he had earned snaps for the BCS championship,,,but trying to rewrite history and make it look like we had Tom Brady on the bench is a little deceitful.

I'm sorry i stand corrected. 1 bad int in the redzone that would have put the game away against Tennessee. Again, I stat Lee earned snaps in the BCS and in hindsight. Lee should have remained with the starter with JJ coming in for spot duty. But JJ turned out to be fools gold when it was time to cash it in against BAMA in the second game.

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Sure

Of course we wouldn't have made it into the red zone without him but whatever

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Kind of explained Lee's career at LSU in a nutshell. Up and Down emotional rollercoaster. He played good enough to make you want to believe in him, then he would make plays that would make you vomit. He always had a great attitude. I wish him well in all his endeavours.

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ready4something

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UBUDan alter?

I mean, Lee threw one pick, not 2 vs TN, and overall made 5 great plays vs 1 bad... I would take that any day of the week.

Notice you completely omitted the FLA game when you talk about how Les "tried to give him (Lee) the reigns in 2010..."
Really that quote alone should get you

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Your lack of self-awareness is stunning. You could be the subject of a fantastic study.

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There are extremes on both sides of the debate. At least Dan is providing pretty good analysis and reasoning for his opinions. He is countering those like RobbBobb that are emotionally invested in Lee's success and tries in every thread to use it to shite on miles and JJ at every opportunity, which seems counterproductive.

There isn't anyone on this board that doesn't want lee to succeed. If there are then they aren't lsu fans. But there are many, many that do not want JJ to have any success and have expressed that. The irrational hatred is pretty stunning yet not totally surprising all things considered. I don't understand this thinking. I also don't understand how heavily emotionally attached some people are to this.

Hopefully both qb's are successful in their post LSU lives. They both put in time at LSU and both had success. Obsessing over the two qb's isn't going to do anything.

Powerman is obviously JL. Or his daddy. Or stalker.

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A couple more losses that season and who knows what direction the program might turn

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I understand what you are trying to say but I don't understand the belief. To me, a sign of good coaching is picking and choosing the right players to play at the right time. Les managed those games correctly and put lee in when needed. Those decisions were the correct ones and we won. Les made a not so good decision to not play lee in the championship game that much is obvious.

My point is you can look at what if hypotheticals all day. But it comes down to the coaches made the right calls at the time of who needed to play to win.

Also, I find it funny how many fans on here when talking about hypotheticals, always look to the negative. The what could have gone wrong. But never mention any positive hypotheticals. It is really weird.

I agree Les would probably be on the hot seat if it weren't for Lee right now. We lose a couple more games in 08, and 10 without him. Prob not winning the SEC this year without him because of JJ's off the field problems. Its reasonable.

I'm wondering if everyone remembers that 1 "bad" INT Lee threw against Tenn last year. It was a fade route with, was a good play made by the corner. It wasn't some really bad, careless throw like many are making it seem. He didn't play well in that game, but played well enough. How they didn't start him after that UF game was unbelievable.

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You realize you have zero credibility, right?

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That really doesnt mean anything to me considering I have never once trashed either qb. I have always maintained a position that both were below average and that I preferred one over the other.

But I supported the coaches decisions on who to play.

I have also stated numerous amount of times that the best system was lee starting and JJ playing situationally.

But apparently those opinions can't be handled by some unless you are 100% pro lee and hate JJ.

I don't get that

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But apparently those opinions can't be handled by some unless you are 100% pro lee and hate JJ.

I don't get that

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I think it's pretty obvious why

Lee is just more likable

Sure he threw a lot of INTs his freshman year but he also moved the chains. People assumed he would eventually get over that and he did. He was the highest rated passer in the SEC when he lost his job.

So you have a guy who is playing well coupled with a great redemption story (who also bailed us out a couple times last year)

JJ is well...not so likable. And he brought it all on himself. He would play terrible in a game and then was either arrogant or delusional enough to say that he played great (this dates back to last year) He gets kicked off the team for (allegedly) kicking some guy that's on the ground. He gets back on the team and starts taking reps and preparation away from Lee. Plays well enough in the Bama game to convince the coaches that he should be the guy. All is well in tiger land even though a lot of people thought Lee should start the following week. So after looking impressive against cream puffs Western Kentucky and Ole Miss everything looks good. Some are still skeptical why he is starting (And you have to take into account, not all of this is on JJ. The offense changed when JJ was in and a lot of people didn't like the change to that style of offense)

Then you have 3 consecutive weeks of stagnant offense in the first half with Arky, UGA, Bama

People had legit concerns about JJ's ability to lead the offense after the UGA game. After the Bama game JJ/Les turned into scapegoats and rightfully so. Lee turned into the hero without ever playing a snap in the game.

That's the way it happened. And I really think that people wouldn't be so critical of JJ if he

a. wasn't arrogant
b. wasn't a criminal
c. didn't have such a miserable year statistically in 2010