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re: The KNOW YOUR PLACE Thread: Up Pg 12: Will Blackwell Knows His Place

Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:32 am to
Posted by Good Times
Hill top in Tn
Member since Nov 2007
24488 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:32 am to
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I disagree with OU on the list - have you ever been to Norman or Stillwater. ND is also barely hanging on your list



That's the point some are making. The football landscape has been changing, but some old impressions die a slow death. Someone posted that the media jumps all over the thought that one of "them" is about return to glory days, due to a new coach, or a moderately successful season or two. Remember when ND hired Charlie Weis?
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:55 am to
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That's the point some are making. The football landscape has been changing, but some old impressions die a slow death.


Bingo.

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Someone posted that the media jumps all over the thought that one of "them" is about return to glory days, due to a new coach, or a moderately successful season or two. Remember when ND hired Charlie Weis?


This is a perfect example.

ND hires Weis. In his first year, ND opens the season by beating two teams: Pitt and I think Army.

ND goes from being unranked, to #10 in two weeks.

Yup. TWO WEEKS. No Rank - Top 10.

Think this would happen for LSU? Never.

Know your place. Then laugh when the hype catched up to them, which it did, rather quickly.

Oh yeah, then LSU was the team to put them back in their place and they still haven't recovered!

BWAAAAHAAAAAAAA
Posted by tiger88
Member since Jan 2006
1041 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 10:57 am to
Easy there EZE.

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One thing I want everyone to keep in mind: THIS IS NOT A WHINING RANT. These facts are what they are. In my humble opinion...


So are they facts or opinions?

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So, without further ado, here are two truths you need to learn and love....


So, are they truths, facts, or opinions?

lol


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1) LSU will never gain the respect of the media many feel they deserve.


Only difference between baseball and football is scale. The dynamics of media attention are the same: it has to be earned over time.

and "never"?

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Why? Baton Rouge. That's why. We are poor, podunk Southerners in a state in the union whose only claim to fame when it comes to jobs, education, quality of living is that "well, at least we aren't Mississippi".
Sorry, this is the truth.


Here you go again with "the truth", or is it your opinion? Or facts? There's quite a difference, bro. Don't be mad. The above "beliefs" are what the post-60 crowd still hold onto; let them go.


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Because of this, the media will never put us on the same level as the traditional powers.


never...ever?

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Our market is much too small.


lol


I read your entire post, now twice. But I stand by what I posted.



Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 11:10 am to
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ND is also barely hanging on your list

You think so?

They continue to maintain their relationship with NBC and have special consideration for the BCS.

Also, take a look at ESPN's College Football front page, scroll down to the blogs and you'll see this:


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College FB Nation Blog »
ACC
Big 12
Big East
Big Ten
Pac-12
SEC
Notre Dame
Stanford


So there is a list of blogs for each BCS conference - and the a seperate one for Notre Dame.

And the another whole seperate blog just for STANFORD! WTF? Stanford? They are not even a traditional power as much as they are an historical power.

I'm with the OP, I don't listen to the talking heads on ESPN, but I do go to their website for updates/scores/etc..., and that's when I see shite like the above.

frick 'em, I would rather watch the Tigers win all of their games as underdogs then have them given the preferential treatment. It's just more fun to win in spite of being disrespected. TBH, I would prefer that LSU get absolutely NO national media coverage, and then be the first team to win three BCS titles.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 11:16 am to
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So are they facts or opinions?


For some they are facts and for others, they are opinions. For me, it is pure entertainment.

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Only difference between baseball and football is scale. The dynamics of media attention are the same: it has to be earned over time.


Football is king. People are always bitching about respect regarding the football program. I'm trying to keep it focussed there.

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Why? Baton Rouge. That's why. We are poor, podunk Southerners in a state in the union whose only claim to fame when it comes to jobs, education, quality of living is that "well, at least we aren't Mississippi".
Sorry, this is the truth.

Here you go again with "the truth", or is it your opinion? Or facts? There's quite a difference, bro. Don't be mad. The above "beliefs" are what the post-60 crowd still hold onto; let them go.


If you work for a national media firm, this is a fact if you are trying to sell papers, ads, etc. If you are targeting a large audience, do you want to kiss LSU's arse in podunk Louisiana, or do you want to kiss USC's arse in Los Angeles?

Sorry, that is how LA is viewed on a large scale. The truth hurts. We don't see it that way, though, because we live here. Personally, I don't give a shite that they think that about us.

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never...ever?


I could be proven wrong eventually, yes. Which is why I stated that, if we do, I never want to see Miles or the players on TV begging if we were to ever lose another "game of the century".

However, with our media market, I don't see it happening, and I like it that way.

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I read your entire post, now twice. But I stand by what I posted.


Fair enough! You have the same feelings I do, you just approach/handle it from a different perspective. My point to you was that, because of this difference in approach, does not make me "insecure". I'm very secure with where we are and am loving every minute of it.
Posted by tiger88
Member since Jan 2006
1041 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 11:23 am to
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Fair enough! You have the same feelings I do, you just approach/handle it from a different perspective. My point to you was that, because of this difference in approach, does not make me "insecure". I'm very secure with where we are and am loving every minute of it.


I hear ya...



I'm insecure LSU fans may not handle (to my liking...lol) the imminent LSU baseball-like dynasty we're about to undertake in football.



Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 11:31 am to
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I'm insecure LSU fans may not handle (to my liking...lol) the imminent LSU baseball-like dynasty we're about to undertake in football.


I don't think they are insecure. Take that back. Many are.

My point with the whole OP was this:

Quit trying to curry favor from people who don't really like you in the first place. LSU fans begging for media love, to me, is equal to say, Republicans in politics hoping the media will give them glowing reviews.

It is not going to happen. This, IMO, makes it more fun.

Hell, look at this weekend: Nick Saban is a guest hose for Gameday.....DURING THE SEC CHAMPIONSHIP GAME! LOLOL

How funny is that? The perpetual whining and begging that will take place is going to piss off a ton of fans, as well it should. Reality of it is, they should be laughing. Not mad.

Let the whiners whine and let the winners win.

Entitled/media darling tears taste so good. There will be tears flowing all day tomorrow on ESPN.
Posted by RANDY44
Member since Aug 2005
9572 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 12:44 pm to
While I agree with much of your blog, it must be pointed out that LSU will finish this season having played 13 of their 14 games on national television. That doesn't happen by coincidence. Their are Tiger fans AND haters across this country and that makes LSU a bit more relevant than you give them credit for. I travel all over the world and have run into other LSU fans pretty much at every turn. While their following may be less than Notre Dame's(like everyone else)the Tigers probably have a following similar in rank to their station of being the 12th winningest FBS program of all time. Perhaps even a bit higher. Definitely not just an SEC following IMO.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 12:51 pm to
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While I agree with much of your blog, it must be pointed out that LSU will finish this season having played 13 of their 14 games on national television. That doesn't happen by coincidence. Their are Tiger fans AND haters across this country and that makes LSU a bit more relevant than you give them credit for. I travel all over the world and have run into other LSU fans pretty much at every turn. While their following may be less than Notre Dame's(like everyone else)the Tigers probably have a following similar in rank to their station of being the 12th winningest FBS program of all time. Perhaps even a bit higher. Definitely not just an SEC following IMO.


You are right. I'm very familiar with this as well. My former job was working with these groups all across the country. We have a fanbase like no other.

We played 13 of 14 because we were in the top 5 all year. That happens to every top 5 team.
Posted by purpleturtle50
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2007
1261 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 12:57 pm to
The Tigers have defeated seven ranked opponents, including three in the top five. They have victories against three teams (Alabama, Oregon, West Virginia) that could be headed for BCS bowl games.
You could easily visualize a 14-0 LSU team standing on the Superdome turf on Jan. 9, justifiably claiming to be the best college football team of all time.
Posted by EZE Tiger Fan
Member since Jul 2004
55427 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 1:03 pm to
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You could easily visualize a 14-0 LSU team standing on the Superdome turf on Jan. 9, justifiably claiming to be the best college football team of all time.


Yes. I agree, but I don't think that is the case.

Best SEASON in the history of CFB? YES. Without a doubt.

Best TEAM in the history of CFB? No, but easily top 5.
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
Member since Oct 2003
4762 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 1:08 pm to

That's the truth Truth!!!
Posted by ttigermike
Member since Dec 2003
66 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 3:48 pm to
i don't buy all this media bias.

look lsu football and tiger stadium are recognized
by the majority of media and fans as the tops of
the college football world .

michigan-usc-notre dame-ohio state-oklahoma would
give anything to be where lsu has been the past 10 years.

"i know our place " and today lsu sits on top of the college football world and when your on top
some will take their shots.

Posted by The Third
Temple, Texas
Member since Jan 2010
145 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 4:05 pm to
Amen Brother.
Posted by GeauxTigerTM
Member since Sep 2006
30596 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 4:09 pm to
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Someone posted that the media jumps all over the thought that one of "them" is about return to glory days, due to a new coach, or a moderately successful season or two. Remember when ND hired Charlie Weis?











Notre Dame sure seems to go away a lot...
Posted by T1gerBa1t
Milam, TX
Member since Feb 2006
302 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 4:53 pm to


Paz
Posted by TempleTiger
Land Of Confusion
Member since Jan 2004
5824 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 9:43 pm to
Damn strong post EZE.

Posted by bnicho2
B-town
Member since Sep 2007
348 posts
Posted on 12/2/11 at 9:54 pm to
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Far too fatalistic and submissive


How you like them apples Gordan Wood?

Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
37887 posts
Posted on 12/3/11 at 1:31 am to
spot on
Posted by Born in BR
Ormond Beach, FL
Member since Dec 2007
482 posts
Posted on 12/3/11 at 6:21 am to
Y. A. Tittle:
I assume your avatar is Tulane Stadium on Willow Street? It was a grand old structure and the seating was composed mostly of steel. I remember the fans could get the stadium to syncopate if everyone began stomping their feet at the same time.
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