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re: The job O has done this season is nothing short of outstanding
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:04 pm to Goldrush25
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:04 pm to Goldrush25
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Orgeron's going to have to develop his own QBs after Burrow moves on.
No joke. When I said you're doubting his ability to replace those players, I wasn't talking about having to replace them with transfers. My point was, you have doubted his ability to do pretty much anything so why wouldn't you doubt his ability to replace Burrow and Tracy. That's kinda your thing.
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:08 pm to JamesMaskin
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If he could only instruct his staff to check their emails, they could open up their recruiting to the entire country by using the free trial NCAA approved app sitting there waiting to be used. It's insanity, look at Bama's recruiting, and pay attention to how distributed their recruits are across the nation, that same tool is sitting in their damn email spam folder probably.
At first I never wanted to sell it to coach O, didn't believe he was a good hire, and was afraid it would improve his recruiting to a point that extended his stay as HC, but now I can't get 1 person on his staff to even check it out!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry at this.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:10 pm to whitefoot
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No joke. When I said you're doubting his ability to replace those players, I wasn't talking about having to replace them with transfers. My point was, you have doubted his ability to do pretty much anything so why wouldn't you doubt his ability to replace Burrow and Tracy. That's kinda your thing
You're exaggerating for dramatic effect.
I've said that over the long run I don't think he can succeed in the SEC. Time will tell whether he can or he can't.
I believe he's being propped up by an elite assistant that was gift-wrapped for him, and I think we'll really be able to gauge his program management skills if he has to replace Aranda and does so adequately.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 5:16 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:15 pm to Boomshockalocka
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f you are 12-1 and run the table in the sec with a loss to Troy that is a better season than the 12-1 with the one loss being in the SEC. that’s not debatebale is it.
Hypotheticals like this are stupid, if you lose to Troy what are the chances you win out in the SEC?
A 12-1 SEC title gets you in the playoffs so the only way a loss to an OOC team, especially a non P5 team, is “better” would be if the SEC team you lost to is a) in the West and b) goes 8-0 or 7-1. So losing to an Arkansas team that wins the west and is there fore likely a playoff team is still a “better” loss than losing to a nonP5 team at home, even if strategically you’d be better off in this 1 wildly improbable scenario. quote:
Run the table in the SEC. how many times has that been done in the last decade.
Only once, 2011, in fact iirc only once in the last 59 years
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
Troy is a fluke loss. Making a habit of Losing to Arkansas means they pass you up in the SEC pecking order. Which was about to happen under miles.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 5:59 pm to Boomshockalocka
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Troy is a fluke loss.
I agree, we certainly hope so anyway.
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Making a habit of Losing to Arkansas means they pass you up in the SEC pecking order. Which was about to happen under miles.
You keep harping on this, but define “habit”? Edit so apparently I can’t count looks like Miles was 6-5, loses in 07, 08, 10, 14, 15. However that kind of debunks you notion that we were about to fall behind them. We lost 3 of 4 from 07-10, but won the next 3 and were decidedly ahead of them those years. Ironically the 1 year they were ahead of us, 2006 we beat them.
We of course can’t know for sure what would have happened the last 2 years if Miles was still here, but given what’s happened at Arkansas I see no reason think they’d be ahead of us
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 6:18 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 6:25 pm to Goldrush25
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believe he's being propped up by an elite assistant that was gift-wrapped for him, and I think we'll really be able to gauge his program management skills if he has to replace Aranda and does so adequately
So let's move the goalposts again.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 6:39 pm to bencoleman
What makes you say that, ben? Why do you say that's moving the goalposts?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 6:46 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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incredible“ The (Florida) loss takes incredible job off the board for me, but the team and coaches have done a damn good job to this point in time.
You spelled perfect wrong. There is a reason they call it a perfect season and I think some of you underestimate the difficulty of doing so
Posted on 10/31/18 at 6:54 pm to H-Town Tiger
I see five losses to the hogs in nine seasons. That’s not a good look. They had the upper hand spanning nearly a decade. It ain’t just Arkansas tho. Ten conference losses in three seasons it is time to go no matter who you are if you are head guy at lsu.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 7:09 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I see five losses to the hogs in nine seasons. That’s not a good look. They had the upper hand spanning nearly a decade
Sure, can’t argue with that. But it’s not like Arkansas wasn’t fielding very good teams in that span as well. They weren’t MSU.
But you also can’t judge a tenure against one team.
Look into his numbers against Florida and Auburn and give us your thoughts.
He was historically successful against those two programs, which is also huge if you are the head guy at LSU.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 7:28 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I see five losses to the hogs in nine seasons
Sure if you cherry pick leaving out the first 2 to suit an agenda.
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That’s not a good look
More annoying than anything
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They had the upper hand spanning nearly a decade
That’s just flatly false. In those 9 years Arkansas had a better overall record 0 times, a better SEC record 0 times, the same SEC record twice, finished ranked higher than LSU 0 times won the SEC W 0 times
LSU by contrast won 1 NC, played for another, win 2 SEC and of course 2 SEC W titles. So no they didn’t have the upper hand.
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Ten conference losses in three seasons it is time to go no matter who you are if you are head guy at lsu.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with that, though I’m pretty sure he still had the 3rd best SEC record over that span, but clearly time to go, I think after the 2015 season
Posted on 10/31/18 at 7:49 pm to Tiger Voodoo
I am not judging his whole tenure. We looking at his last three seasons v what what ed has done. From what we got outta miles at the end of his career Eddie has been a clear improvement on that. 15-11 last 26 conference games v O will be 16-6 at worse at seasons end. it’s not even close. Les was losing to your Arkansas and ole miss’s every year. Plus someone else we had no business losing too.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 7:54 pm to Boomshockalocka
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I am not judging his whole tenure. We looking at his last three seasons v what what ed has done.
That's convenient. How about I only look at the Troy and MSU game from last year along with the Florida game in '16 and his time at Ole Miss? We can even throw in the Florida game from this year which was a coach in his first year with his team which won 4 games last year and is an actual rebuild.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:00 pm to TigerLunatik
Well maybe it is because we never said O was better than miles whole tenure. I got all the respect in the world for miles whole body of work. That’s not what we talking about.
We said O was a clear step up from the miles we had his last three years. And it’s not even close.
We said O was a clear step up from the miles we had his last three years. And it’s not even close.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:05 pm to Boomshockalocka
Considering Miles' last full season was better than this current season at this point, I don't see how you can say "it's not even close." I'm honestly not sure why this is even part of the discussion in this thread. The only reason Miles was even brought up was to say that we've been in this position before at this point of the season and that wasn't an outstanding season. This one shouldn't be labeled that yet either. I think there's a good shot that it can/will be.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:07 pm to TigerLunatik
We lost at least three SEC games three years in a row. Clear decline. When Eddie loses three one time people will say he has to be fired. Well he didn’t lose three in the conference last year. And he won’t this year either. It’s a clear improvement over miles.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:11 pm to Boomshockalocka
How is it clear? Miles won 9 games in 2015 which would have been 10 if we had played McNeese against the 5th toughest schedule in the country. Coach O won 9 games against the 27th toughest schedule last year. This clear improvement isn't backed up by the data.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:15 pm to TigerLunatik
Ed will have 4 sec losses in two years. Miles 10 in 3 years. That’s an average of two losses per year for O v 3.3 year for miles. Almost half as few losses per season.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:18 pm to Boomshockalocka
I'm just gonna agree to disagree because I don't feel like people calling me a hater and saying I think Miles should still be the coach because I don't believe that one bit. I just don't see this "clear improvement" that you see when looking at the number of wins and the strength of schedule. It's obvious neither of us is gonna change our minds. Go Tigers!
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