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re: THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:34 am to cj2002
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:34 am to cj2002
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Think about it, we can win if and only if, we can line up and run over you.
This is just false.
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Every coach in the county knows it, so we lose to equal talent, and play close games to teams of lessor talent.
What? Saban has more talent than any team in cfb and he loses every year too.
The talent gap between bama and lsu is bigger than the gap between lsu and ole miss.
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Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:41 am to 11thACR
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The Fundamental Flaw is ....Les...
Yeah the lsu coach with the most
Top 5 finishes at lsu
Top 10 finishes at lsu
Top 15 finishes at lsu
Top 25 finishes at lsu
The highest win % in school history
Has 50% of tital game appearances
Is the problem
I swear its like you ignorant fricks live in some timeline where Miles' tenure hasnt been the best tenure in lsu history. If miles is so average why is he the winningest coach in lsu history?
Our 2001 roster was as talented a roster as we have ever had at lsu and lord Saban lost 3 sec games in a sec that is much weaker.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:42 am to AlwysATgr
I think we just need to get the plays in faster instead of the ENTIRE offense looking like a bunch of meerkats watching the sideline while relaying the plays in.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 8:53 am to Noon the Great
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Noon the Great
THE Fundamental Flaw in Les's Football Philosophy
by Noon the Great
It's way to conservative. We the fans have a want to embarrass teams. Miles sits on leads and takes mercy knees with 5 minutes left in games.
This is one thing I totally agree on. While Miles has shown a penchant to throw the ball in the past (Jamarcus Russell, Mettenberger), I can only remember a few times when Miles stepped on the gas and the throat of an opponent.
I would much rather be accused of 'running up the score' and 'poor sportsmanship' for continuing to pour it on, etc, than to
PHUCKING GOTDAMN LOSE A MF'ING GAME IN THE LAST FEW SECONDS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,
Especially after we seemingly had it won.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 9:41 am to MetryTyger
quote:Haven't checked lately, but a couple years back LSU was top 10 in margin of victory vs FBS over last 10years ('05-'14 iirc).
I can only remember a few times when Miles stepped on the gas and the throat of an opponent.
Quite amazing considering the perception on tRant.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 9:47 am to AlwysATgr
I don't know why I even read threads like this...makes me think I'm the one that's crazy. 
Posted on 3/30/16 at 10:56 am to dukke v
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Hey Choctaw. How ya doing?????
Great. Been having fun on the Poli Board. Waiting for our national championship run.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:38 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Wrong. Miles has proven that if he trusts his qbs, he will throw the ball.
"Trusting" the QB and building the O around his skill-set are not necessarily the same thing.
Some examples and questions:
1) Why did Mett ever run an option play?
2) Why did we regularly run short-side option plays with JJ? I realize if you're the OC in the press box you can see that the play is setup for success but then JJ, who struggled to run option plays almost his entire career, would botch it up. So why call plays your QB can't execute?
3) In '13 and '14 Malzahn built his O around Nick Marshall. No big deal at QB but he did some things well and AU's O was very good. But Nick leaves and incomes Jeremy Johnson. I'm sure they made some adjustments but it didn't fit the QB and their O was a disaster last year.
I don't doubt that even if we only repeat in '16 what we tried in '15 that Brandon will do better. But until we build the O around what he can do well, it will slog along.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:41 am to Rickdaddy4188
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Bama beat us without loading the box,
This is misleading. Their safeties would stay back until the ball was snapped and then key on the RB. They were overplaying the run.
Time-tested road strategy - take-away the run and make the QB beat you throwing.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:47 am to Rickdaddy4188
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These are the same posters that swear our offense hasnt changed at all since Miles got here. They claim all the OC'S were lame ducks and it has always been Miles running the offense.
The approach did change from about mid-season '06 (when Jimbo convinced Les to engineer the O around JaMarcus and the WR's - Early, Bowe, Buster, and LaFell) until the end of '08. The ghosts of '08 haunt him until this day.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 11:49 am to pellietigersaint
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I didn't read that wall of text but I can tell you I gave you a down vote and am politely asking you to shut the frick up
Touche!
Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:46 pm to Rickdaddy4188
quote:HE'S NOT. He has neither the most wins nor the highest win percentage.
If miles is so average why is he the winningest coach in lsu history?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 12:54 pm to AlwysATgr
id this a new "fundamental flaw", or the same old shite we have hashed and rehashed over the past 6 years-or more?
Posted on 3/30/16 at 1:04 pm to AlwysATgr
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How often have you watched other teams play and their offense appears functional and then you watch us and it looks so clumsy, so unpracticed, so dysfunctional?
I watched the top offense in the country look clumsy and dysfunctional when they played against LSU.
I think people tend to forget we play in the toughest conference in football. I see sec teams struggle on offense every week. We have to get better production out of the qb, no doubt.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 1:06 pm to 75helpmacpack
Related to what we (Tiger fans) have discussed for who knows how long.
Just my feeble attempt to 'splain it. When I watched us vs A&M last year it just stood out how uncomfortable Brandon looked at QB. It was a home game, nothing that formidable about A&M's D, and his 12th start (counting AU from '14). So why?
On the post-game Risher noted the same thing about how uncomfortable Brandon looked. He also talked about when Mack Brown came to LSU before the '82 season. We changed from a veer to pro-style because it fit what Risher could do well.
IMO, that's what Les doesn't do and it's a philosophical thing with him that he wants to downplay the role of the QB in the O. What I'm suggesting is that Les needs to engineer the O around whatever Brandon Harris (or whomever) can do well.
Just my feeble attempt to 'splain it. When I watched us vs A&M last year it just stood out how uncomfortable Brandon looked at QB. It was a home game, nothing that formidable about A&M's D, and his 12th start (counting AU from '14). So why?
On the post-game Risher noted the same thing about how uncomfortable Brandon looked. He also talked about when Mack Brown came to LSU before the '82 season. We changed from a veer to pro-style because it fit what Risher could do well.
IMO, that's what Les doesn't do and it's a philosophical thing with him that he wants to downplay the role of the QB in the O. What I'm suggesting is that Les needs to engineer the O around whatever Brandon Harris (or whomever) can do well.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 1:06 pm to spiderman
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HE'S NOT. He has neither the most wins nor the highest win percentage.
He has the highest win percentage and he's only 25 games back of the most wins.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 1:11 pm to AlwysATgr
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On the post-game Risher noted the same thing about how uncomfortable Brandon looked.
I'd like to see you and risher look comfortable out there with future NFL linemen hitting you when you have a hernia in your groin area.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 1:13 pm to AlwysATgr
Dumbass.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 2:09 pm to AlwysATgr
quote:No need to rewrite history.
The approach did change from about mid-season '06 (when Jimbo convinced Les to engineer the O around JaMarcus and the WR's
a) There were more attempts in first 1/2 of '06 reg season
b) the 3 season lows in att/gm were in second 1/2.
c) 2005 360att vs 2006 368att, or practically same att/gm.
The '07 season saw the jump in attempts, but not really as drastic as seems, due to extra game plus @10 extra att in 2 OT games.
Posted on 3/30/16 at 5:14 pm to TigerFanNKaty
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Really, so despite hearing that this year they are finally spending more time on passing; u don't think the problem is Les's philosophy?
I do not think his philosophy has much to do with his QB's sucking. Les Miles has had more than one team with a damn good passing attack. 2007 and 2013 come to mind. his "philosophy" was fine then.
when you have a QB that can't hit the broad side of a barn all you can do is fricking run the ball. sure, we shouldn't be in that position with QB's but we are and we have been.
we can run all the "schemes" we want to but our offense can't execute them. there will be a penalty, a dropped pass, a key missed assignment or a dropped pass.
I think it's a coaching problem. and it's not les miles. it's damn sure of the offensive side of the ball.
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