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re: The First Team Has LSU at 7-5

Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:19 am to
Posted by Guava Jelly
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 8/27/15 at 8:19 am to
quote:

And one thing McElroy is right about: we are banking on recruiting talent coming to fruition

Pretty much everyone is doing this. You know that, right?

I assume he ranked Bama near the top in the west. They return fewer starters than LSU. Guess what they're banking on ...
Posted by mikrit54
Robeline
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 8/27/15 at 9:25 am to
Zarzar?

Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:00 am to
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McElroy rips us too. Said all the optimism is banking on recruiting talent. Doesn't like our offense philosophy. Thinks we are thin on the d-line. 7-5. Sixth in the west.


They accomplished their goal...to have people talking about their predictions.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:07 am to
quote:

And one thing McElroy is right about: we are banking on recruiting talent coming to fruition


LOL....what team isn't counting on some talented individuals to step up this year. LSU has approximately 16 returning starters......near the top for any national team. This is about as dumb of a statement as anyone could make...and that's saying a lot on the rant.

quote:

We are thin on experience upfront on defense


Define upfront? I define upfront as Lacourte, Godcheaux, and Beckwith anchoring down the middle....with Adams roaming around as well. Not going to get much stronger than that. If you are referring to the edges, well, all I can say is our pass rush was pathetic last year....so if we are terrible there this year, it won't be much of a dropoff in terms of pressure. I personally see us getting much more pressure this year.
Posted by profwilson
Member since Jul 2004
868 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:11 am to
They also went on to say that LSU is the hardest team in the country to predict. In their view, we could plausibly go 5-7 and miss a bowl game, or plausibly win the national championship. There's no other team in the country, in their view, where the range of realistically possible outcomes is wider.

I actually agree with that, though I would settle on a forecast that's more optimistic than theirs. I just don't see where we can be argued to be weaker than last year, when we went 8-4 in the regular season. OL, RB, and WR should all be at least as good. QB can't realistically get any worse, and could be significantly better. DB looks great, and LB should be at least as good as last year. I guess you could say DL is weaker, but we didn't get much out of that group last year. Combine all that with a little bit easier schedule, and I think 9-3, not 7-5, is the most logical forecast--with a real chance for better.

I guess the only logical counter-story would be if you think Chavis' departure is a devastating loss, and the defense will take a big step back for schematic reasons while the offense remains disappointing. That would get you to a 7-5 or worse season. That's not the way I see things playing out, but we'll see.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57711 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:13 am to
It all hinges on QB play and how Steele runs things.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:15 am to
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And one thing McElroy is right about: we are banking on recruiting talent coming to fruition. We are thin on experience upfront on defense. No one really knows what Harris can do. We expect he'll be an upgrade over Jennings but will he be a star or just okay? So I get their picks, even if my purple and gold glasses say we're going 11-1.


Lack of experience up front? You have three returning starters up front who carried the load down the stretch of SEC play. They went from bleeding yards vs MSU and Auburn to shutting down the run against OM and Bama. And take a look past the score in the Arkansas game. Despite the huge time of possession differential, the size of their line, and their talented backs, they didn't break 100 yard rushing or 300 yards overall. Think about that.

The middle of the defense is just fine. Anyone who says otherwise isn't researching. They are taking a quick look at the depth chart and scores, and that's it.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:17 am to
McElroy is a good analyst. I disagree with his prediction, though.
Posted by Tigerinthehollow
Madison, MS
Member since Sep 2014
5655 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:19 am to
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I just don't see where we can be argued to be weaker than last year, when we went 8-4 in the regular season.


LSU returns 16 starters.....16....many of which were tf with zero experience that found their way towards the end of the year and many will become stars this year. It's one of the most overlooked stats on the entire LSU team....when have you known a Les Miles team to fail miserably (like picking us to go 5-7) with a tremendous amount of returning talent......hell, with very little returning talent, the worst Season Miles has had is an 8 win season. LOL at 5-7......again...vegas has LSU at #8 to win the NC...according to odds.
Posted by misey94
Hernando, MS
Member since Jan 2007
23327 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:22 am to
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It all hinges on QB play and how Steele runs things.


I understand that some are concerned about Steele, but think back to the offense in 2007. I would expect the same. He is going to take a well-trained group of guys, keep the scheme similar, and turn them loose.

It's next year that we need to look out for. Can Steele implement his full scheme and coach players up? That's when Crowton started falling apart. That's when we will see what Steele is made of.

And for anyone having visions of Malvetto, just don't. Steele had his struggles at Clemson, but just look where he has coached, even since then. There is a reason for that. Then look at how effective our 08 defensive staff has been since they left LSU. Right. Peveto is barely capable of being a special teams coach (even if he can recruit). The others from that staff have been even worse. None of those guys are even close to being as good a coach as Steele.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81672 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:24 am to
quote:

McElroy is a good analyst. I disagree with his prediction, though.


He sorta disagrees with it as well. Looking at all the uncertainty in the West and with LSU at QB, he has said this is a very difficult year to predict.
Posted by JETigER
LSU 2011 National Champions
Member since Dec 2003
7081 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:25 am to
hopefully LSU gets a easy bowl game so the streak of winning at least 8 games for an entire century can continue
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
66952 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:28 am to
Zarzar Binks?

Posted by yuritiger
Member since Aug 2014
32 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 10:56 am to
quote:

They also went on to say that LSU is the hardest team in the country to predict.


So then they both go on to predict we'll go 7-5? I don't follow that logic but hey somebody's paying them good money for all that expertise. Keep listening.
Posted by idlewatcher
County Jail
Member since Jan 2012
79238 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 11:28 am to
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In their view, we could plausibly go 5-7 and miss a bowl game, or plausibly win the national championship.


Way to go out on a limb there with a prediction

"LSU will either win or lose"
Posted by NorthshoreTiger76
Pelicans, Saints, & LSU Fan
Member since May 2009
80182 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 11:31 am to
Sooooo I guess there is no reason to play the season now
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 12:33 pm to
Who give one frick what that Gump ginger says or thinks???


All the while sabans dick is in his mouth.
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26664 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 1:18 pm to
ZarZar Binks?
Posted by Datbayoubengal
Port City
Member since Sep 2009
26664 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 1:58 pm to
quote:

from last year?


TL; DR below. We bring back more total than anybody else in the West. We actually improve our QB play greatly just by having the more talented guy out there who has an understanding of the offense now. Our losses on defense, aren't major at all.

Yes obviously. Didn't we win 8 games last year when teams were supposed to be better?

Bama was loaded on O and D and Auburn was loaded on O with experience and talent. TAMU was pretty even with this year, MSU had a senior loaded team, and Ole Miss was experienced at all the right places and had some good talent. We had Wisconsin as an OOC opponent, UF is pretty even, and Arkansas will be even at best this year than last IMO (lose the better of the 1-2 punch at RB, Allen could pull a Bo Wallace, lost a lot of star power in the front 7 and don't have the pieces to regroup the very next year).

We were dealing with the zero experienced DTs and that is a much worse problem than zero experienced DEs. Hunter and Rasco got their first real game play 2 years ago and did not improve on creating a pass rush with the year of experience. Part of it was because of them, part of it was because of scheme, and part of it was because of coaching. We don't have those problems now. This is the first time we've brought back both XT starters in a long time. We don't have a Tarzan/Jane or a guy that had to repair both shoulders in a year (sorry guys, but it's the truth). We've replaced lethargic Haley with upbeat and insane Orgeron. We've replaced Chavis's 'contain the QB' with Steele's 'get out there and get after em'.

MLB, are you kidding? We replaced what should have been a backup at best, with a likely All SEC and possible All American. Along with a top 5 cover corner in White, the secondary gets its playmakers with Thomas coming back, Swag Adams, Jefferson the future ball hawk (he was a legit WR in high school), and a list of freshman stud athletes.

Experienced OL a year removed from a coaching change. A loaded WR cast that actually has experience now that none had at all last year. A heisman level RB and a ridiculous beast in waiting in Guice. Athletic TE that just needs the ball, plus a TE that could be a 3rd tackle. Harris has the talent, Harris now has the knowledge. This is the best thing I took from Miles in one of the recent press conferences.

quote:

Harris is the leader, he said, because of the nuances of playing the position.

"His deportment, the things he does before he hands the ball off or throws the ball," Miles said when asked why Harris was leading. "Understanding exactly what's going on, putting us in motion, doing the things quarterbacks need to do to facilitate the other 10 players."


LINK

THIS, and a little extra padding, is what he was truly missing. Miles isn't just going to say he has things mentally figured out if he doesn't. Give a guy with top talent an understanding of what he is supposed to do, and you'll have yourself a pretty good player. That doesnt mean he'll be mistake free, but he'll be better than average and definitely not as bad as last year (are people hearing themselves when they say this). Harris is going to be good this year folks. LSU is going to be good this year.
Posted by monsterballads
Make LSU Great Again
Member since Jun 2013
29267 posts
Posted on 8/27/15 at 2:05 pm to
LSU is going to shock these talking heads this year.
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