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re: The current RB Room

Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:54 am to
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:54 am to
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Choosing to leave for greener pastures before they even competed for the job. I’m sure they will do great at UAB & UNT though

They were both here for 3 years and never able to get much playing time, so they went somewhere that they can play. You probably think Trey Palmer was and idiot for transferring too huh?
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 9:58 am to
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We don’t need a stud rb, we need a body that can come in and produce when needed, I think Jackson and Williams will be fine and Durham can chip in when needed


No no no

You go and get the best RB out there. Jackson has potential but hasn’t proven anything. Hoping he breaks out isn’t a plan. Williams is solid but isn’t a starting RB. Durham is a freshman who may contribute or may not

Go get the best and let the chips fall as they may
Posted by Salviati
Member since Apr 2006
5541 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:03 am to
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It is always a sad situation when a young person makes stupid decisions. And you can hate that they made those decisions while understanding that the consequences are deserved. It is also understandable that someone would have sympathy for all the lives impacted by the stupidity, including the young person who made the stupid decision and threw away his potential life.

I remember the founding pastor of our church saying many years ago that any of us is capable of anything we have seen people do. "There but for the grace of god go I" basically. As he pointed out, small changes in your life could have sent you down a different path. Things like who your parents were and how they approached raising you, the neighborhood and neighbors you grew up around, things you were exposed to as a very young child or growing up, and many other things, He also went on to say it does not mean you don't deserve the consequences of your action or should be excused in any way. It is only an explanation for why someone may do something unthinkable for you or I.
Well done.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:07 am to
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Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.


This applies to the courts and his freedom. It does not apply to the general public and opinions.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:09 am to
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Williams is solid but isn’t a starting RB


This is LITERALLY not true.
Posted by ipodking
#StopTalkingAboutWomensSports
Member since Jun 2008
56302 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:12 am to
Go ask CBK who LITERALLY brought in a RB to start over Williams last season and will do it again in the spring
This post was edited on 2/16/24 at 10:16 am
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:19 am to
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Go ask CBK who LITERALLY brought in a RB to start over Williams last season and will do it again in the spring


If you want to say Josh Williams sucks, I don't give a shite. But he has started 10 games, so your post is incorrect.
Posted by CBP3110
Member since Aug 2012
6555 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:42 am to
Nah brah he’s done. He’s definitely not innocent.
Posted by CBP3110
Member since Aug 2012
6555 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:44 am to
Exactly guilty by association doesn’t include illegal use of weapon haha. He’s the main guy slappy.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
59151 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 10:52 am to
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Choosing to leave for greener pastures before they even competed for the job


What? They're not freshmen. They're both upperclassmen who've competed for the job for multiple seasons. They just lost the competition. And I'm sure their leaving was a mutual decision. They probably wanted to finally play somewhere, the coaches told them it wouldn't be here, so they moved on. In the best interests of both the players and LSU.

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I’m sure they will do great at UAB & UNT though


What an a-hole thing to say. I can't tell if you're an a-hole or just fricking stupid. Or both. But you're an absolutely atrocious poster. Be better.
Posted by jb21lsu
NWLA
Member since Mar 2018
2634 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:02 am to
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As he pointed out, small changes in your life could have sent you down a different path. Things like who your parents were and how they approached raising you, the neighborhood and neighbors you grew up around, things you were exposed to as a very young child or growing up, and many other things,


Those are not small things. I understand what you are trying to convey but those are poor examples. You just listed the foundational things, not small.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:07 am to
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Go ask CBK who LITERALLY brought in a RB to start over Williams last season


No, he LITERALLY brought in a RB who he knew was good and knew his system and "let the chips fall where they may" as you suggested in your previous post. The chips fell to where Diggs was the starter. I don't think Williams was 100% last year. I'm pretty sure he got dinged up over the off-season and seemed to be a step slower and a bit heavier than he was in '22. Hopefully he has a fully healthy off-season this year and comes in closer to the guy we saw in '22. He may not be the bell cow who gets 15-20 carries/game, but he'll have a huge role in next year's offense.

And I agree with you that we should go get the best RB available in the portal in the spring. If you're gonna get somebody, why wouldn't you get the best available. But I don't think BK is looking for a starter all of a sudden now that Holly is out. He was going to be 4th string anyway--if BK felt like he needed to add a #1 RB, he would have already been more aggressive in the portal.

And I disagree with you that hoping Jackson develops is not a plan. It absolutely is. If you've listened to BK at all this offseason when he talks about the portal and how he wants to build his team, he makes it clear that at some point you have to trust your coaches' evaluations and their ability to develop the guys already on the roster. And Durham's a stud. He'll absolutely play. How much will obviously depend on how quickly he picks up the offense and learns to be dependable in pass pro.
Posted by LSBoosie
Member since Jun 2020
7855 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:10 am to
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If you want to say Josh Williams sucks, I don't give a shite. But he has started 10 games, so your post is incorrect.

Eh, he only started 4 games last year. If you want to use that, then you could say that Tre Bradford is a starting RB too.
Posted by JimTiger72
Member since Jun 2023
4908 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:13 am to
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What an a-hole thing to say. I can't tell if you're an a-hole or just fricking stupid. Or both. But you're an absolutely atrocious poster. Be better.


So you don’t like when I talk bad about players that leave, but you can laugh at me when I say Harold Perkins will be a top 5 pick in the draft? I cheer for the players who play for LSU
Posted by Carbonman
Butte la Rose
Member since May 2022
516 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:41 am to
Between CBK and this guy Frank Wilson they will find a portal RB that would love to play for both. As for Holly, you do the crime you do the time. If he is guilty he belongs in jail not on our football team. Sad for the victims and sad that this kid who wasted his life and carrer. I thought he had a ton of football potential.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:50 am to
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You hate this for a guy that attempted to murder someone? Jesus dude, it’s not like he tore his ACL in winter conditioning. He straight up tried to kill someone. He doesn’t deserve your sympathy.

I agree with your post of course. Having said that, I understand the other's posters point about "hate this for Holly". What I'm surprised about is was there any indication whatsoever that Holly was hanging around with the wrong crowd, had severe character issues, etc when he was in HS. I realize a lot of the time that being a BMOC (archaic acronym meaning big man of campus) allows you to get away with stuff but to my knowledge the guy in HS was squeaky clean. That is what he probably meant in his phrase. I think we all hate/are disappointed when a young person potentially throws away his life (after almost throwing away another person's life) pretty much in an isolated event.
Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 11:56 am to
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This is LITERALLY not true.

Actually, Williams is not a top 20 team starting caliber RB so I agree with the poster you responded to. He is a valuable RB to provide depth, blocking, and have maybe 6 to 8 carries a game. But IMO he is not remotely in the same talent level as Jackson, Diggs when he was here, what I expect from Durham, etc. IMO, he overachieves his talent level which is a good thing but LSU needs to have a #1 RB better than him...JMHO.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:23 pm to
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So you don’t like when I talk bad about players that leave,


I don't like when anybody talks bad about players who chose to come to LSU leaving. Especially when they busted their asses for multiple seasons competing and eventually realized/were told it wasn't going to work out for them here. With the scholarship limit issues we have, I think it's pretty safe to say they were told they should look elsewhere. It's not like they were only here for 1 year, didn't like how little playing time they were getting, and pouted and took their ball home at the 1st sign of adversity.

You also derogatorily suggested they were leaving for "greener pastures," when everything they've done would suggest that they think playing at LSU IS the greener pasture. That just wasn't an option for them any longer. But I also hate the hypocrisy and lack of self-awareness of folks like you who praise our incoming transfers and welcome them with open arms while simultaneously shitting on the ones who leave, who actually chose LSU out of high school. I can't intellectually circle that square, and it pisses me off when you dumbasses are dishonest enough to.

You can't love the Joe Burrows, Jayden Daniels, and Mekhi Wingos while shitting on the Tre Bradfords and Armani Goodwins. Or even the Max Johnsons and TJ Finleys who actually started for us. Nobody thought they were good enough to play for us, but everybody's all too happy to shite on them for leaving.

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but you can laugh at me when I say Harold Perkins will be a top 5 pick in the draft?


I love Harold Perkins and thought he had a really good year last year considering what he was asked to do. I was laughing at the thought that a 6'0' 210 pound tweener with no natural position would be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft. People somehow convinced themselves he was another Micah Parsons we could just line up on the edge and let rush the passer on every down. But Micah Parsons is 6'3" 245 and built completely differently than Perk. He can't do that against SEC OLs, much less NFL ones. And suggesting he's a top 5 pick is just putting unrealistic expectations on him and unfairly setting him up to be disappointing. He's a dude, but he's not THAT dude. He needs better players around him to be able to fully utilize his strengths.

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I cheer for the players who play for LSU


Me too. And I cheer for the ones who chose to come to LSU out of high school when they likely could have gone anywhere and don't shite on them when it doesn't work out and they wind up leaving. I'm not talking about the Lance Heards or Eli Ricks of the world, but the guys who stuck around and gave it a shot, but eventually left after realizing they weren't going to be able to play here.

Posted by NotaStarGazer
Member since Dec 2023
1126 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:46 pm to
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I love Harold Perkins and thought he had a really good year last year considering what he was asked to do. I was laughing at the thought that a 6'0' 210 pound tweener with no natural position would be a top 5 pick in the NFL draft. People somehow convinced themselves he was another Micah Parsons we could just line up on the edge and let rush the passer on every down. But Micah Parsons is 6'3" 245 and built completely differently than Perk. He can't do that against SEC OLs, much less NFL ones."


Right now Harold Perkins is in a precarious position size wise. He is definitely a "tweener" at this point. Certainly he isn't strong enough to take on blockers and to be a sure tackler. Also, even though he is fast, I wouldn't call him a superb cover guy either...he is decent. And I know everyone wants to blame House for every defensive woe but the reason Perkins wasn't used more on the LOS was that if you put a body in front of him, he definitely can be neutralized. In 2 years, I haven't seen Perkins bull rush or dominant a blocker right in front of him. That showed up in the SEC last season and will show up in the NFL even more. He needs to get bigger and stronger...speed only takes you so far. I do think his football instincts are good though.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
26808 posts
Posted on 2/16/24 at 12:53 pm to
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Actually, Williams is not a top 20 team starting caliber RB so I agree with the poster you responded to.


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