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re: The BCS vs Playoff Debate
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:
how can this be logical
if every team in a playoff has the ability to be the champ, then every slot matters as much as any other
the 8th slot in an 8-team playoff race means as much as the 2nd team in the BCS
This is an excellent point and whenever it is brought up the only reponse playoff people have is "well...uhh...its better to screw over #9 than #3. If you're #9 you probably don't have an argument anyway".
What they don't realize is #9 doesn't have to have an argument to be #1...they only need an argument to be #8. And there would be many more teams left crying and whining with legit arguments for a #8 seed, or a #16 seed, than there are with claims to be #1 or #2 right now.
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Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:35 pm to SlowFlowPro
I could debate this point by point, but I don't see any reason to. I'm tired of this argument, and I don't see any of us changing the others minds.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:46 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:How could they have done more than beat everybody?
if they truly deserve a shot, they could have done more on the field. even AU in 2004 could have done more on the field
Not schedule The Citadel? I could be mistaken, but I believe they only penciled that one in because somebody else better cancelled on them.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:50 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the 8th slot in an 8-team playoff race means as much as the 2nd team in the BCS
I disagree. If you get in the top 2, you have to win one game, as opposed to winning three games if you are in the top 8.
Like I said in the other thread. The #3 team left out of a two team playoff has more beef than a #9 team playoff left out of an 8 team playoff.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:52 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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Not schedule The Citadel? I could be mistaken, but I believe they only penciled that one in because somebody else better cancelled on them
Yes. Unless they have NO OTHER choice. If you schedule a Citadel or a McNeese, (like LSU is rumored to do) then you are at the mercy of the SOS gods.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 4:57 pm to mikedatyger
quote:Exactly my point though, I don't think they HAD any other choice. An Aubie will hve to help me with this, but I believe a decent team canc'd on them, and the Citadel was the scrub. Err, sub.
Yes. Unless they have NO OTHER choice. If you schedule a Citadel or a McNeese, (like LSU is rumored to do) then you are at the mercy of the SOS gods.
I think they got screwed in 2004 personally, and wouldn't have minded playing them in a plus one giving us the opportunity to make it 3 straight over the Plainsmen.
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:05 pm to loweralabamatrojan
quote:
How could they have done more than beat everybody?
beat them by more
esp the good teams
beating LSU (who was mediocre that year) by 1 at home was bad
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
The point of playing a football game is to score more points than your opponent, not to score enough points to satisfy the whim of some voter.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:10 pm to Gmorgan4982
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The point of playing a football game is to score more points than your opponent, not to score enough points to satisfy the whim of some voter.
+1. MOV is valued only by folks who play weak sauce intentionally.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:15 pm to loweralabamatrojan
MOV against good teams is very important
if team A beats average team by 20 and team B beats average team by 10 points, then team A is better
and i mean average team as in the absolute average team. a hypothetical figure, not comparing transitive logic
if team A beats average team by 20 and team B beats average team by 10 points, then team A is better
and i mean average team as in the absolute average team. a hypothetical figure, not comparing transitive logic
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:What if one game is played in a torrential downpour or on a night where it's very windy? What if one team relies on field position and defense where another team relies on their offense putting up 50?
if team A beats average team by 20 and team B beats average team by 10 points, then team A is better
This post was edited on 7/15/09 at 5:18 pm
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:19 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
What if one game is played in a torrential downpour or on a night where it's very windy?
i'm sure if you average out the 4-5 worthy games to include in MOV calculating, the bad weather will even out
and MOV is only 1 factor. smaller MOV but much stronger SOS > bigger MOV against shite SOS
quote:
What if one team relies on field position and defense where another team relies on their offense putting up 50?
you should still put up a good MOV if your D is all that
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:19 pm to SlowFlowPro
you can't really look at a score to judge how a team plays. there are factors that could certainly skew that number.....weather, injuries...it seems logical to compare teams in that manner, but realistically, different teams match up different. totally different personel, formations, styles. lsu is not going to play auburn and florida the same way.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wow.
you should still put up a good MOV if your D is all that
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:20 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
What if
What if this. What if that. All day long.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:21 pm to easy money
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you can't really look at a score to judge how a team plays. there are factors that could certainly skew that number.....weather, injuries
but you're not looking at 1 game. i think SOS should be based on your 4-6 toughest opponents, and MOV in these games only applies
the formula should also include average team statistical rankings in key cats
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:21 pm to mikedatyger
quote:What's your point? His argument is paper thin; I was just doing some hole-poking.
What if this. What if that. All day long.
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:22 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
Wow.
it worked out in 2003
i'm sorry that i'm not impressed that AU couldn't put away mediocre teams like Utenn or VT
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:22 pm to Gmorgan4982
quote:
His argument is paper thin
i hope you don't mean mine...
Posted on 7/15/09 at 5:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Wow again.
the formula should also include average team statistical rankings in key cats
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