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Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:10 pm to BeeFense5
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He was spotted JR and FLynn.
Solid agenda driven argument.
What's incorrect about it?
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:10 pm to BeeFense5
Yeah, you're right, Beefense. Terry's credentials pale in comparison to the indomitable Les... NOT!
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:11 pm to drizztiger
Option A
1) Jimbo Fisher is responsible for developing Russell and Flynn
2) Gary Crowton is responsible for stunting Jefferson and Lee
3) Cam Cameron is responsible for developing Mettenberger
Option B
1) Les Miles is responsible for developing Russell, Flynn, and Mettenberger, and stunting Jefferson and Lee
Please make your choice. I will wait.
1) Jimbo Fisher is responsible for developing Russell and Flynn
2) Gary Crowton is responsible for stunting Jefferson and Lee
3) Cam Cameron is responsible for developing Mettenberger
Option B
1) Les Miles is responsible for developing Russell, Flynn, and Mettenberger, and stunting Jefferson and Lee
Please make your choice. I will wait.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:14 pm to BeeFense5
Your big white hat is on too tight again. JR and MF were developed by Jimbo, who IS known for developing QB's. That said, I'm not blaming Cam for AJ-Jimbo, Bill Walsh or Mike Holmgren couldn't take someone with such limited skills and make him into an all-SEC QB. He just doesn't have IT, and no amount of hard work or coaching time spent will make him into a championship QB
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:22 pm to Icansee4miles
Of all the shite posted in here my post was deleted? Wow...
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:24 pm to DrSteveBrule
quote:Pumper Sand Headers all butthurt and
I'm so angry that Terry Bradshaw largely agrees with the general consensus opinion LSU fans have had for years!
because TB spoke the truth. How dare he say something bad and negative about LSU........ Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:30 pm to chilge1
quote:A.
Option A
1) Jimbo Fisher is responsible for developing Russell and Flynn
2) Gary Crowton is responsible for stunting Jefferson and Lee
3) Cam Cameron is responsible for developing Mettenberger
Option B
1) Les Miles is responsible for developing Russell, Flynn, and Mettenberger, and stunting Jefferson and Lee
Please make your choice. I will wait.
I am not trying to shite on Miles, but the topic is QB development. I think Bradshaw's comments are over the top and unprofessional. He probably has less insight into the LSU QB situation than a typical ranter.
That said, Jimbo's QB development is pretty well documented. Crowton is exactly what his reputation says he is. Cam shouldn't be judged yet, in LSU terms.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:37 pm to tigerborderjumper
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While it is a known fact that LSU has been dominant in sending players to the NFL, it's also a known fact that these players really ain't known for including NFL caliber quarterbacks.
Can you provide a list of SEC schools that are known for pumping out NFL caliber quarterbacks? Thanks!!
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:39 pm to semjase
People really need to stop assuming that Cameron is some type of QB messiah.
He hadn't coached college QBs since 2001 when he came here in 2013.
In his first year at LSU he had a 5th year senior QB that some felt could've been drafted (albeit late) in the 2013 draft.
In the NFL, he took over in San Diego with a veteran in Flutie and then took on two top 32 QB picks in Brees (#32) and a top 4 pick in Rivers.
Ignoring his disaster in Miami, he then took over in Baltimore where he got to work with another first round QB in Flacco. These weren't raw QBs, and had been pretty strong players in college.
He has developed one QB from high school in over 20 year and that guy was an anomaly of an athlete.
Cameron is a very good coach, but he's not proven recently to be a great developer, and honestly seems to be a great polisher instead. People should just learn to accept he is not a messiah for LSU's QB issues under Miles.
He hadn't coached college QBs since 2001 when he came here in 2013.
In his first year at LSU he had a 5th year senior QB that some felt could've been drafted (albeit late) in the 2013 draft.
In the NFL, he took over in San Diego with a veteran in Flutie and then took on two top 32 QB picks in Brees (#32) and a top 4 pick in Rivers.
Ignoring his disaster in Miami, he then took over in Baltimore where he got to work with another first round QB in Flacco. These weren't raw QBs, and had been pretty strong players in college.
He has developed one QB from high school in over 20 year and that guy was an anomaly of an athlete.
Cameron is a very good coach, but he's not proven recently to be a great developer, and honestly seems to be a great polisher instead. People should just learn to accept he is not a messiah for LSU's QB issues under Miles.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:47 pm to im4LSU
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So what was wrong about what he said...
This...
quote:
That kind of offense that they run, I don't think they read defenses.
If he were more knowledgeable about the LSU offense he'd have commented that LSU is asking QB's to do more than other teams, and more than they're being prepped for in high school.
Posted on 4/10/15 at 11:48 pm to Geauxgurt
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he then took over in Baltimore where he got to work with another first round QB in Flacco. These weren't raw QBs, and had been pretty strong players in college.
Flacco was the definition of raw coming out of Delaware.
quote:
Cameron is a very good coach, but he's not proven recently to be a great developer, and honestly seems to be a great polisher instead. People should just learn to accept he is not a messiah for LSU's QB issues under Miles.
Cameron has been either a HC or OC for the last 17 years. In your post, you completely ignore 16 of those years, and yet attempt to draw a conclusion regarding his ability to develop quarterbacks based on the 2014 LSU season..?
Sounds legit.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:01 am to chilge1
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Flacco was the definition of raw coming out of Delaware.
In NFL terms? Sure, but as a prospect he was much further along then a raw QB out of high school. There is a huge difference there, but of course it doesn't fit your agenda to accept that fact.
quote:
Cameron has been either a HC or OC for the last 17 years. In your post, you completely ignore 16 of those years, and yet attempt to draw a conclusion regarding his ability to develop quarterbacks based on the 2014 LSU season..?
He hadn't coached a college QB that was just out of high school since 1993 as a dedicated coach for the position. At Indiana, he had one QB that was shown to be a playmaker, but his team sucked badly.
In the end, his track record has mostly been made up of 1st round QB talent that he developed in the NFL and not raw high school QBs. There is no shame in that. Mettenberger proved he's great at polishing a QB with developmental time already.
I also love how Crowton is horrible despite him taking a RS SR and succeeding, while with Cameron it proves he is great.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:06 am to Geauxgurt
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I also love how Crowton is horrible despite him taking a RS SR and succeeding
Everyone gives Crowton credit for what he typically does in his first year at a stop, it's the years after that where he's earned his reputation...
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:08 am to Geauxgurt
quote:The Wiz is and was horrible. You should read his Wiki page.
I also love how Crowton is horrible despite him taking a RS SR and succeeding
Not mentioned on said page is that he's been fired from practically every coaching job he's held.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 12:17 am to rmnldr
quote:TB knows exactly what he is doing. It seems obvious to me that he is trying to lure BH to Louisiana Tech. They've done quite well with transfer QB's from P5 conference schools.
He's not helping anything out. Brandon shouldn't be around a guy like that.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:14 am to Geauxgurt
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In the end, his track record has mostly been made up of 1st round QB talent that he developed in the NFL and not raw high school QBs.
Yeah, Cameron has an absolutely abysmal track record when it comes to developing all those high school QBs that go straight to the NFL...
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:26 am to nolatrain504
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“Freshman got his chance and they pulled him. That kind of offense that they run, I don't think they read defenses. It doesn't look like they do. LSU especially, they don't really coach them up down there.”
Dead on. Really. Terry Bradshaw isn't the only one Bobby Hebert, Ivan Manziel, Steven A. Smith, and more I will have to check my archives.
Sadly the players and the talent at LSU are not coached up.
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:28 am to Chimlim
LSU DOESN'T coach QBs up. Four Super Bowls on, TB doesn't know football? He's spot on, and some people just can't take that.Would really love to know what BERT JONES had to say about it....
Posted on 4/11/15 at 6:31 am to Icansee4miles
Lane Kiffin did at Alabama. Sims was a 3rd String and had quiet a year. Maybe all those other coaches could not but Kiffin did. 
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