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re: stop blaming CPM for the 2-2 Pitch out that was Dunn's call

Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:23 pm to
It was an incredibly stupid decision.
Posted by TulaneUVA
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:30 pm to
Could someone describe the situation. I missed it
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:33 pm to
Really fast runner on 1st base no outs. Threw back over a number of times to keep him close. Pitched out on consecutive pitches with a 1-1 count. Runner didn't bite and the batter eventually walked.
Posted by TulaneUVA
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:41 pm to
I see. Don't see what's wrong with that but I'm not a baseball expert. I'm also not a fan of sac bunts but everyone is doing it these days so what do I know.
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:42 pm to
The pitch out on 2-2 was the problem.
Posted by TulaneUVA
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:51 pm to
Was it on the 2-2 that bothers you or that they did it consecutively?
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:52 pm to
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It's clearly Dunn's fault. Nothing to do with youth at the position.

person, mccune, domangue,
Glenn, boumon all pretty inconsistent... all upperclassmen. what's funny about what you're saying is the actual "youth" in our bullpen are the consistent pitchers.
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 4:01 pm
Posted by ell_13
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:53 pm to
The combination is the problem. But it stings that they were wrong both times. Obviously you don't want the runner to get to second. But almost as important is not letting the count get to 3-2 in that situation. That's a big no no
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 3:54 pm
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:54 pm to
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broussard all pretty inconsistent


LOL
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:55 pm to
Person couldn't hit the strike zone per usual last night. Broussard was an anomaly. I won't blame McCune too much for today. He saved us last night.
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:55 pm to
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person, mccune, broussard all pretty inconsistent... all upperclassmen.


Broussard inconsistent??
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:55 pm to
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Was it on the 2-2 that bothers you or that they did it consecutively?


Both but if I had to pick then it's definitely the fact that it pushed McCune to a full count on a friggin no out pitchout.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:56 pm to
Here's why it's a bonehead call:

If the runner doesn't go, which he didn't, then he is definitely going to be off on the pitch in a 3-2 count. That means you have just taken yourself out of the DP and a ball in the gap or down the line for sure scores the run. You want to avoid going 3-2 at all costs there.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 3:58 pm to
I like how you people are pointing out one pitcher out of the 6 I said. Yes Broussard is good. He has been iffy lately. He is light years better than the others on that list.
Posted by TigerCub
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:02 pm to
You're the one that posted it not me. The kid had a 0.36 ERA before last night. Aside from last night tell me what game he has been iffy in.
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 4:03 pm
Posted by fbb
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:02 pm to
Clearly, Dunn calls the pitchouts that work and Mainieri calls the ones that don't work.
Posted by LSU=Champions
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:04 pm to
Shut up. It was stupid and it didn't work.
Posted by Macintosh
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:05 pm to

Fair enough, I mistakenly put him on that list when he shouldnt have been, but still that Mikey whatever his name is saying youth as being the issue as to why our bullpen is struggling is completely wrong.
Posted by TulaneUVA
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:06 pm to
I guess what I am saying is in a theoretical situation where you did not already attempt a pitchout (therefore runner is not looking for it) would attempting on 2-2 be a bad call? It's like reverse psychology since the other team wouldn't be expecting it.

Maybe over thinking it.
This post was edited on 5/3/14 at 4:08 pm
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
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Posted on 5/3/14 at 4:09 pm to
I didn't get to watch the game. Can someone explain to me the situation where the pitch ours occurred (score, inning, outs, runners position etc.)
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