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Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:32 am to Dijkstra
Stats lie!
Bama is up comfortably enough that they play backups. Our starters are in late in the game.
Your eyes should tell you everything. Offensive execution is lacking. Sustained drives are lacking.
This team will lose 3 IF they continue playing at their current level.
Bama is up comfortably enough that they play backups. Our starters are in late in the game.
Your eyes should tell you everything. Offensive execution is lacking. Sustained drives are lacking.
This team will lose 3 IF they continue playing at their current level.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:33 am to Dijkstra
quote:You don't math, do you…
LSU: 8-14 (without LSU matchups: 8-9) Bama: 11-13 (without Bama matchups: 11-8) Difference: Bama opponents had two more wins, one less loss. What a drastic difference!
ETA: As to the 'stats don't lie' BS, there are three types of lies; lies, damn lies, and statistics. There is a reason for that famous quip.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 8:38 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:37 am to toosleaux
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Stats properly tortured will confess to anything.
Some of those are pretty telling though.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:38 am to CajunBandit
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You don't math, do you…
you don't English either
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:43 am to Dijkstra
Stats do lie
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:43 am to theunknownknight
quote:Did you see my edit? I used a semicolon, probably improperly. Clearly I English more goodeder than op maths.
you don't English either
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:46 am to CanIPlay636
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Am I missing something? Thats still a problem.
Yeah, apparently, you're missing these stats.
Passing Yards
LSU: 1016 yards (203.2 yards/game)
Bama: 1064 yards (212 yards/game)
Difference: +48 passing yards (8.8 yards/game), Bama
Rushing Yards
LSU: 1148 yards (212 yards/game)
Bama: 941 yards (188.2 yards/game)
Difference:+207 yards (23.8 yards/game), LSU
Rushing Yards Against
LSU: 415 yards (65 yards/game)
Bama: 329 yards (83 yards/game)
Difference: +86 rushing yards (18 yards/game) given up, LSU
Passing Yards Against
LSU: 674 yards (134.8 yards/game)
Bama: 629 yards (125.8 yards/game)
Difference: +45 passing yards (9 yards/game) given up, LSU
As I said before, check out the stats before you anoint Bama as SEC/National Champion. Bama isn't really any more powerful on offense than LSU and rushing against them is just as tough as it is rushing against LSU. Our offense is better than its been in years because when we're not fumbling balls, we're actually passing and rushing the ball. Our rushing and passing yards per game and overall are not far apart. Last year, that wasn't the case.
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You don't math, do you…
Well, considering I'm a Software Engineering/Math double major, I'd say I "math" a pretty great deal, but hey, if you want to find something to bash out of all of those computations, more power to you, boss.
Also, if you're sitting around saying "Stats do lie, OMG!" then you obviously haven't done any work with statistical analysis over a high number of models. As I said before, there is a margin of error and a chance for the statistics to be wrong, but if we built a system that would randomly generate stat match ups within the entire of the season's performance in each stat, such as rushing and passing yards gained, rushing and passing yards against, points for, points against, etc., put in a chance for a team for have a down day where their offense, defense, or both have an off day, and ran it a couple thousand times, I'd make a large wager that the majority of the results would fall right in line with the statistics. There's a reason that so much emphasis is put into tracking all these statistics. Hint: It's not so fans can use them to bash their team from every angle.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 8:54 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:48 am to Dijkstra
There is saying....
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Those two teams aren't even close right now. We're sloppy, they are disciplined. That's the long and short of it.
There are lies, damn lies and statistics. Those two teams aren't even close right now. We're sloppy, they are disciplined. That's the long and short of it.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:54 am to Dijkstra
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The numbers in everything except for three areas are damn near neck and neck. The only noticeable margins are in turnovers, penalties, and points against
A HUGE reason Bama is playing better than LSU right now. You can throw all your other stats out the window.
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which has an alternative view point presented based on the difference in late game coaching styles between Saban and Miles with a win locked up
So what you are saying is that Bama plays hard till the final gun and LSU lays back by thinking they have the game won????? This will work well against teams like SC and FLA and Bama. Cuase I am gonna tell ya. The LSU team I saw last night will struggle BIGTIME against the three teams I mentioned.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 8:56 am to Dijkstra
LSU starters play 4 full quarters
Alabama starters out at halftime in most of their games
LSU still having to gain yards, move chains
Alabama running out clock
Stats lie all the time.... Depends on how you want to use them
lol
Alabama starters out at halftime in most of their games
LSU still having to gain yards, move chains
Alabama running out clock
Stats lie all the time.... Depends on how you want to use them
lol
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 8:59 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:00 am to tduecen
Heres a stat...LSU passing offense is ranked about 120th.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 9:01 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:01 am to Dijkstra
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Yeah, apparently, you're missing these stats.
Red Zone turnovers stat
Offensive output is skewed due to numerous long drives that ended with redzone turnovers. Pull those yards out of our offensive production, repost and we'll have a better picture of LSU's stellar stats.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:03 am to Dijkstra
quote:11-8=3 your op said (I haven't checked for an edit) that it equaled 2. Congrats on your super awesome math degree.
Well, considering I'm a Software Engineering/Math double major, I'd say I "math" a pretty great deal, but hey, if you want to find something to bash out of all of those computations, more power to you, boss.
ETA: Since my initial post the op was fixed.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 9:10 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:09 am to Dijkstra
No surprise. Penalties and turnovers are the difference. LSU is killing themselves, pure and simple.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:13 am to Dijkstra
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Stats Don't Lie
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Yeah, stats lie or deviate occasionally
you need to make up your damn mind...
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:17 am to WylieTiger
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What about 3rd down %?
very sad
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:20 am to dukke v
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Stats do lie... In a 2 man race, 1 guy tell his buddies he came in 2nd and the other guy claims he finished 2nd to last... You see how that can work?
No, human presentation of results lie. Proper statistics would show that Guy One placed 2nd out of 2 participants and Guy Two placed 1st out of 2 participants. Statistics are numerical representations, not strangely worded conversational bits. That's the exact reason we keep statistics. It gives a clear insight into the results.
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A HUGE reason Bama is playing better than LSU right now. You can throw all your other stats out the window.
You're valuing 3 stats over every other stat. We average one turnover more than Bama over 5 games. Before we had the most ridiculous game of fumbling, we averaged .4 more. Points allowed could be considered negligible because of the 4th quarter statistics. Even considering points allowed, giving up only 25.4 YPG and 5.6 PPG more than the mighty, perfect Alabama isn't exactly embarrassing.
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So what you are saying is that Bama plays hard till the final gun and LSU lays back by thinking they have the game won????? This will work well against teams like SC and FLA and Bama. Cuase I am gonna tell ya. The LSU team I saw last night will struggle BIGTIME against the three teams I mentioned.
No, what I'm saying is that Nick Saban will keep his foot on the throttle for no real reason, and Les Miles will pull back the offense or even kneel the ball a couple times. Either way you look at it, it doesn't make a single difference in the outcome of the game. Les Miles doesn't exactly just stop playing if a game isn't competitive, and anyone salivating to throw out some bullshite quip that is inevitably going to come as a response to that can go check Les Miles stats, which are again a good representation of the kind of coach he is.
As for them struggling against those teams, LSU may struggle or even lose to them, but if I was forced to make a guess, I'd say confidently that LSU wins (may not be pretty) against Florida and S.Carolina and Bama is a toss up. What powerhouse team has any of those teams beaten to give them such an advantage? LSU isn't allowed to have bad games in the eyes of the fanbase. Georgia is being heralded as a powerhouse, yet they struggled against Tennessee. LSU wins the first three games by a margin of 145 to 31 points, including a solid Washington team who took down #8 Stanford. They then have two rough games against an embarrassed Auburn and an opponent no one even looked at on the roster, and as always, everyone becomes irrational.
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11-8=3 your op said (I haven't checked for an edit) that it equaled 2. Congrats on your super awesome math degree. ETA: Since my initial post the op was fixed.
I'm aware, douchebag, which is why I fixed it. I also had to write down each stat before this week and add this weeks results to them. That's why I said "Out of all of the calculations you found one that was wrong." Thanks for the congratulations, but I'm going to head to grad school for Software Engineering. I just decided on the Math degree because I was 5 classes short of it, and I wanted to take Tensor Calculus. If you'd like to sit down with a page full of integrals, differential equations, and algorithm analysis problems, we can see how your math skills match up, hoss.
This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 9:52 am
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:52 am to Dijkstra
Opponent Records indicates that bama's opponents have won about 27% more games and have better winning percentages than LSU's. When you excluded the LSU/Bama matchup it reveals bama opponents have a winning record while LSU opponents have a losing record. All this before you look at the quality of each team's opponents.
Points scored and points allowed don't favor your argument at all. They show that LSU scored less and allowed more against what is demonstrated to be inferior opposition by the previous stat.
Why not just state turnover margin? It heavily favors bama, both in net terms or as presented in op.
I get your point, but looking at the numbers makes me feel worse about what has happened so far this season. Inferior showings against inferior opposition. Turnovers and penalties indicate inferior coaching and/or composure.
Points scored and points allowed don't favor your argument at all. They show that LSU scored less and allowed more against what is demonstrated to be inferior opposition by the previous stat.
Why not just state turnover margin? It heavily favors bama, both in net terms or as presented in op.
I get your point, but looking at the numbers makes me feel worse about what has happened so far this season. Inferior showings against inferior opposition. Turnovers and penalties indicate inferior coaching and/or composure.
Posted on 9/30/12 at 9:57 am to Dijkstra
quote:Nothing gets a point across like personal insults. Is that part of your engineering or math degree?
I'm aware, douchebag
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