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re: State of our Coaching Staff- Just My Opinion
Posted on 12/29/10 at 9:43 am to Springlake Tiger
Posted on 12/29/10 at 9:43 am to Springlake Tiger
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Gonzales- Still has to prove himself; hard to do so with Jefferson and Lee at QB (C)
is that what he does? cause for the life of me, i couldn't figure it out.
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Crowton- I think he can draw up some good plays, but he just doesn't always know the right time to use the right play. He also cannot develop QB's. The stats the last 2 years speak for themselves.(F)
how many different ways do you all think there is to teach a 5 step drop, and how to go through reads? i mean, i have problems with some of his playcalling sometimes, but for the most part, i'm happy with it. and you all make it sound like he takes his qbs to the varsity and buys em a drink while the rest of the team is doin individual drills? ever think maybe they just can't get it done?
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Stud- the line was better this year than last, but just isn't a dominating line like at some of the other schools in the conference.(D)
what did we have? the 3rd best rushing team in the sec?
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Posted on 12/29/10 at 9:45 am to Chimlim
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Although I would give Crowton whatever grade is lower than F.
He needs one of those "see me after class" written on his test and have his dad sign his report card. 
Posted on 12/29/10 at 9:45 am to Cherry Cheesecake
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Why do people keep on saying that our offense as a whole was terrible? Did they not notice that we had a solid rushing offense this season, even despite the poor QB play? Crowton seems to not get any credit for that.
Only our passing offense was bad.....which a good QB could most likely fix. That would even open up the running game even more. Imagine that
add another person to the list of people that actually get it.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 10:00 am
Posted on 12/29/10 at 10:11 am to Springlake Tiger
Great and accurate analysis IMO. 
Posted on 12/29/10 at 10:28 am to jrich11
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how many different ways do you all think there is to teach a 5 step drop, and how to go through reads? i mean, i have problems with some of his playcalling sometimes, but for the most part, i'm happy with it. and you all make it sound like he takes his qbs to the varsity and buys em a drink while the rest of the team is doin individual drills? ever think maybe they just can't get it done?
Let's take a look at Crowton's history.
BYU - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Under Crowton, John Beck was an average QB. Crowton even tried to make him an option QB. After Crowton left, John Beck turned into an NFL draft pick.
Oregon - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Had Dennis Dixon, an actual option QB, and still managed to screw it up.Under Crowton, Dixon was a below-average QB, after Crowton left, Dixon was in the running for the heisman trophy.
LSU - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Currently has Jefferson and Lee at QB, two QBs who share the same inconsistencies.
Yet, many LSU fans are under the delusion that Mettenberger is the answer for Gary Crowton? If Crowton can't get Beck, Dixon, Lee, and Jefferson to play well, why would Mett be any different?
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 10:31 am
Posted on 12/29/10 at 10:29 am to EricB
All we need is a good OC that runs Pro-Style to go along with what we already have and with Mett this team can be very dangerous. Not to mention the quick,young, and very talented D we have coming up. Bright future for LSU Football!!! 
Posted on 12/29/10 at 10:34 am to Chimlim
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Let's take a look at Crowton's history.
BYU - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Under Crowton, John Beck was an average QB. Crowton even tried to make him an option QB. After Crowton left, John Beck turned into an NFL draft pick.
Oregon - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Had Dennis Dixon, an actual option QB, and still managed to screw it up.Under Crowton, Dixon was a below-average QB, after Crowton left, Dixon was in the running for the heisman trophy.
LSU - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Currently has Jefferson and Lee at QB, two QBs who share the same inconsistencies.
Yet, many LSU fans are under the delusion that Mettenberger is the answer for Gary Crowton? If Crowton can't get Beck, Dixon, Lee, and Jefferson to play well, why would Mett be any different?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:26 am to Springlake Tiger
Why does Gonzales get graded on qb performance? I know he is the "passing game coordinator", but Crowton is the qb coach. It just seems like the qb performance should be linked to their position coach.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 11:51 am to Broken Arrow
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Why does Gonzales get graded on qb performance? I know he is the "passing game coordinator", but Crowton is the qb coach. It just seems like the qb performance should be linked to their position coach.
Doesn't the QB throw the ball to the WR?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:26 pm to Chimlim
quote:yup
Let's take a look at Crowton's history.
BYU - Took a great offense, turned it to dog shite. Under Crowton, John Beck was an average QB. Crowton even tried to make him an option QB. After Crowton left, John Beck turned into an NFL draft pick.
Oregon - Took a great offense, turned it to dog shite. Had Dennis Dixon, an actual option QB, and still managed to screw it up.Under Crowton, Dixon was a below-average QB, after Crowton left, Dixon was in the running for the heisman trophy.
LSU - Took a great offense, turned it to dog shite. Currently has Jefferson and Lee at QB, two QBs who share the same inconsistencies.
Yet, many LSU fans are under the delusion that Mettenberger is the answer for Gary Crowton? If Crowton can't get Beck, Dixon, Lee, and Jefferson to play well, why would Mett be any different?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 12:55 pm to TheDoc
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Oregon - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Had Dennis Dixon, an actual option QB, and still managed to screw it up.Under Crowton, Dixon was a below-average QB, after Crowton left, Dixon was in the running for the heisman trophy.
So he helped coach up a future Heisman candidate? Not too shabby if you ask me. Improvement/maturity takes time....it doesn't always happen overnight.
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LSU - Took a great offense, turned it to dogshit. Currently has Jefferson and Lee at QB, two QBs who share the same inconsistencies.
If it wasn't for Perrilloux screwing up, Crowton wouldn't have to be stuck with developing a couple of inexperienced freshmen right away.
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If Crowton can't get Beck, Dixon, Lee, and Jefferson to play well, why would Mett be any different?
How can you fairly compare them like that? They aren't all on the same level as each other.
By the way.....don't forget to add to his resume that he came to LSU and won a national championship with Matt Flynn as QB
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:24 pm to Cherry Cheesecake
Isn't it kind of a "known" thing that the Crowton way is to go somewhere, blaze like a fire for one to two years and then to completely flame out and have to move on to somewhere else?
I thought we had all these conversations when we hired him.
Are we really surprised the offense has tanked?
Shouldn't we be more surprised that he is still here?
I mean, the Malpeveto disaster didn't rank us in the 100s and those guys were gone in a year. This is two straight years that our offense has not just been bad, it has been worst in the conference bad.
I am tired of hearing how he didnt have any QBs to work with the last two years. Part of that is his own fault. Why was Andrew Hatch even on the team?
The reality is that even with a below average QB LSU should not be in the 100s in the rankings. EVER
Now. I am not saying that Crowton is the devil. He just isn't what LSU needs right now. A change is needed. Just like after the Malpeveto debacle.
I thought we had all these conversations when we hired him.
Are we really surprised the offense has tanked?
Shouldn't we be more surprised that he is still here?
I mean, the Malpeveto disaster didn't rank us in the 100s and those guys were gone in a year. This is two straight years that our offense has not just been bad, it has been worst in the conference bad.
I am tired of hearing how he didnt have any QBs to work with the last two years. Part of that is his own fault. Why was Andrew Hatch even on the team?
The reality is that even with a below average QB LSU should not be in the 100s in the rankings. EVER
Now. I am not saying that Crowton is the devil. He just isn't what LSU needs right now. A change is needed. Just like after the Malpeveto debacle.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:47 pm to Broken Arrow
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Why does Gonzales get graded on qb performance? I know he is the "passing game coordinator", but Crowton is the qb coach. It just seems like the qb performance should be linked to their position coach.
Because the passing game sucks.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:47 pm to Cherry Cheesecake
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So he helped coach up a future Heisman candidate? Not too shabby if you ask me. Improvement/maturity takes time....it doesn't always happen overnight.
That's not the point.
Dennis Dixon under Crowton = below average QB
Dennis Dixon after Crowton left = heisman candidate QB
You really think Dixon would have been a heisman contender under Crowton?
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If it wasn't for Perrilloux screwing up, Crowton wouldn't have to be stuck with developing a couple of inexperienced freshmen right away.
Gary Crowton isn't the only coach in the universe who has to develop inexperienced QBs. And those inexperienced QBs haven't improved one bit under Crowton's coaching.
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How can you fairly compare them like that? They aren't all on the same level as each other.
Beck and Dixon didn't play well until Crowton left. But under Crowton, they share the same issues Jefferson and Lee have.
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By the way.....don't forget to add to his resume that he came to LSU and won a national championship with Matt Flynn as QB
And he took that national championship offense and made it worse then Vanderbilt and Buffalo. I can accept a mediocre offense if we have a good defense, but the offense has been far below mediocre for 2 straight seasons now and I think it's retarded to blame it on one player as opposed to the person actually in charge of the offense.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 1:48 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:51 pm to Chimlim
Let me sum up the consensus of everyone that posted in this thread with the exception of 3 people: Crowton sucks and needs to go.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:53 pm to Springlake Tiger
3 people actually get it
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:55 pm to HuRRiCaNe MiLeS
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How the frick would you give him an A. The guy has not stopped a great offense at all.
he has a top 10 defense in america bro...that's top 8% in the nation...what more do you fricking want? the games we lost were to first round NFL quarterbacks...people have way too high expectations
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:55 pm to BT
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3 people actually get it
BT is to Gary Crowton as Jim Mora is to Carl Smith
Posted on 12/29/10 at 1:57 pm to Springlake Tiger
i dont give a frick about the saints, so that doesnt mean much to me
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:05 pm to BT
Crowton is no good dude. Please find me 1 SEC, Big Ten, Pac-10, or Big 12 university that would take him off of our hands. If nobody wants them, then they are not worth a damn.
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