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re: State of our Coaching Staff- Just My Opinion
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:08 pm to BT
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:08 pm to BT
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3 people actually get it
No, you just can't accept that jarrett lee isn't the savior of LSU football.
So now you turn your energy of defending crowton because you want to continue to tear down jeffferson.
We get it. You don't like JJ at qb. Neither do I.
But Gary crowton is the one who brought both qb's to LSU and he's also the one who drug the offense to an unacceptable level.
Peveto and mallory had the 32nd ranked defense compared to LSU's 90th and 112th ranked offenses the past two years.
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Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:11 pm to Springlake Tiger
If Crowton gets an 'F' shouldn't Miles score be lower? Afterall isn't he responsible for him being here? I think a big part of Mile's score should be based upon his assistant's performance. If Chavis gets and 'A' and Crowton and 'F', then Miles should get no better than a 'C', imo.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 2:12 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:12 pm to TheDoc
I suppose those other two dudes cant accept it either 
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:15 pm to otowntiger
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If Crowton gets an 'F' shouldn't Miles score be lower? Afterall isn't he responsible for him being here? I think a big part of Mile's score should be based upon his assistant's performance. If Chavis gets and 'A' and Crowton and 'F', then Miles should get no better than a 'C', imo
I think his score is more than adding up the 2 coordinators. Look at Special Teams, look at recruiting, look at academics and off the field issues. The offensive coordinator and Oline coach are the only weak links on this staff.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:29 pm to BT
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Why do people keep on saying that our offense as a whole was terrible? Did they not notice that we had a solid rushing offense this season, even despite the poor QB play? Crowton seems to not get any credit for that.
Only our passing offense was bad.....which a good QB could most likely fix. That would even open up the running game even more. Imagine that
add another person to the list of people that actually get it
For the 3 people who "get it" I want to know exactly what your position is...Is it that Crowton can put a good offense on the field with a good/great qb? We know he can't adjust and get the most out of bad qb play can we agree on that at least?
So basically yall want to keep an OC that will only put out a good offense with a good qb....Don't you think that most OC could accomplish that?
Also BT earlier you talked about simplifying the offense b/c JJ couldn't run a complex offense or something along those lines. I don't know if you have noticed that our offense(wr's mainly and RS) seem confused quite a bit over the last couple of years knowing where to lineup. With the talent LSU has wouldn't a good OC reckognize that the offense was too complex for the players and adjusted along time ago. Find out what you do well and go with it.....You cannot convince me that Crowton could not have found a base set of plays that our team could have executed better...thus being more successful offensively. Even the commentators that don't watch LSU week in week out were saying we should simplify our offense last year.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:38 pm to Topwater Trout
Seems to me you dont understand the necessity of having an above avg qb.
On the game winning drive vs alabama ,it covered 77 yards.
All on the ground.( i just watched it again is reason i mention it)
You ever considered that we ARE getting the most out of the qb play?
IMO what you see is what you get ith JJ, i dont care who is in charge of coaching him.
complex never came out of my mouth.. and it wasnt my idea it was a story the br advocate published after 3-4 games when it was obv to anyone with eyes that JJ was going backwards instead of frwds.
I just believe with a better qb, nobody is talking about gc anymore... really not that tough of a concept to grasp.
9 times out of 10 at all levels of football, if your qb is below avg, your offense will follow suit.
On the game winning drive vs alabama ,it covered 77 yards.
All on the ground.( i just watched it again is reason i mention it)
You ever considered that we ARE getting the most out of the qb play?
IMO what you see is what you get ith JJ, i dont care who is in charge of coaching him.
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Also BT earlier you talked about simplifying the offense b/c JJ couldn't run a complex offense or something along those lines.
complex never came out of my mouth.. and it wasnt my idea it was a story the br advocate published after 3-4 games when it was obv to anyone with eyes that JJ was going backwards instead of frwds.
I just believe with a better qb, nobody is talking about gc anymore... really not that tough of a concept to grasp.
9 times out of 10 at all levels of football, if your qb is below avg, your offense will follow suit.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:40 pm to BT
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I just believe with a better qb, nobody is talking about gc anymore... really not that tough of a concept to grasp.
9 times out of 10 at all levels of football, if your qb is below avg, your offense will follow suit.
The problem is, Crowton's history has shown this isn't true. He had good QBs in the past in Dennis Dixon and John Beck and both struggled mightily with Crowton as their OC, yet flourished the year after Crowton left.
eta: teams win with average to below average QBs all the time (Bama in 2008 with JPW comes to mind off the top of my head). Good OCs hide their players deficiencies and take the advantages they have over other teams. Crowton seems to do the opposite.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:44 pm to amiznit
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The problem is, Crowton's history has shown this isn't true. He had good QBs in the past in Dennis Dixon and John Beck and both struggled mightily with Crowton as their OC, yet flourished the year after Crowton left.
Ill admit that arguement has merit.. however it can just as easliy be said that every situation is diff........ bla bla bla bla bla
If our offense stays the same with a diff qb, I promise Ill be the first to admit I was wrong and we need to get rid of him.
ALso someting to think about... if he sucks so bad and qbs have nothing to do with keeping him around... why does LM let him stay???
IMO, LM sees the bigger picture.. thats why.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:45 pm to BT
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9 times out of 10 at all levels of football, if your qb is below avg, your offense will follow suit
So your saying JJ or JL are worse or have less talent than 89 qb's in d-1?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:46 pm to BT
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ALso someting to think about... if he sucks so bad and qbs have nothing to do with keeping him around... why does LM let him stay???
IMO, LM sees the bigger picture.. thats why.
Politics and money are 2 reasons. Doesn't look good if Louisiana's flagship university's Athletic Department spends ~$450k to buy-out a coach while the university is facing big time budget cuts and layoffs.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:46 pm to Topwater Trout
how many out of those 89 would trade with us?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:47 pm to amiznit
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Politics and money are 2 reasons. Doesn't look good if Louisiana's flagship university's Athletic Department spends ~$450k to buy-out a coach while the university is facing big time budget cuts and layoffs
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh thats why huh?
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:51 pm to BT
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how many out of those 89 would trade with us?
That wasn't the question....Of the teams ranked ahead of LSU offensively there is no way JJ and JL aren't as talented if not more than half of them.....yet those other teams get way more from there qb's and with much less talent surrounding those qb's......to me that is all about coaching and utilizing a player in a way he can be the most successful.
Other OC's put out a better product with less all across the country.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 2:52 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:57 pm to Topwater Trout
execution is a word that could fit in just right here.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:58 pm to jrich11
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how many different ways do you all think there is to teach a 5 step drop, and how to go through reads?
How many routes can be used to create a mismatch against a LB or a safety? In Crowton's offense, the apparent answer is zero.
How many OC will call substiution packages with a 15 second rolling clock and NO PLAY? Apparently one.
How many OC refuse to stick with playaction when its working? One again.
I can play the "how many" game all day long.
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i mean, i have problems with some of his playcalling sometimes
I agree, just change "some" into "most."
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and you all make it sound like he takes his qbs to the varsity and buys em a drink while the rest of the team is doin individual drills?
At this point, I'd rather he just take them to Varsity and buy them a drink. No where to go but up.
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ever think maybe they just can't get it done?
Poor Gary is just the unluckiest bastard alive. Never has a coach had a such a string of QBs through his career who just "can't get it done."
Posted on 12/29/10 at 2:59 pm to BT
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if he sucks so bad and qbs have nothing to do with keeping him around... why does LM let him stay???
This is the $64 Million question. Miles has done things that make no sense, and this is one of them imo.
I have 3 guesses. 1.) He's just waiting for Crowton's contract to run out so we won't have to pay his insane buyout. 2.) Since LSU won 10 games, he is reluctant to make any changes and 3.) He is too loyal, he couldn't find him another job so we're stuck with him.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 3:00 pm to Topwater Trout
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I want to know exactly what your position is...Is it that Crowton can put a good offense on the field with a good/great qb? We know he can't adjust and get the most out of bad qb play can we agree on that at least?
Gary Crowton is awesome when he gets a super talented, already developed QB that plays in a system he doesn't design.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 3:02 pm to Chimlim
#4) He understands the cards GC has been playing with concerning qbs and realizes help is on the way.
Posted on 12/29/10 at 3:02 pm to BT
I forgot. Mettenberger is the answer to all of the offensive problems.
This post was edited on 12/29/10 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 12/29/10 at 3:03 pm to BT
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execution is a word that could fit in just right here.
Executing Crowton is going a little overboard just fire him lol
The bottomline line is plenty of OC's are putting up better numbers offensively with alot less talent and there has to be a reason for it other than just qb play. Whether it be system, coaching , execution GC's offense is not working with what LSU has to use.
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