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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:15 am to la_birdman
Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:15 am to la_birdman
Sometimes it's hard to admit a mistake. I know that from experience. It's better in the long run to admit it because if not you just give people the ammunition to tee off on you. That being said I can be just as hardheaded as the next guy.
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 4:21 am to bencoleman
Come on, Ben. Give me a break. I’ll be the first one to say, “well he has some decent points” but he doesn’t. He never has. You’ve seen what this guy posts. It’s over the top stuff. Add that to his little fits when he’s proven wrong, he is basically Tiger Rant spam.
If he can’t admit he made a mistake, then why does he continue to come back and post the same nonsense over and over? Don’t you find that a little weird? Almost like he’s doing it for kicks. Hmmm
If he can’t admit he made a mistake, then why does he continue to come back and post the same nonsense over and over? Don’t you find that a little weird? Almost like he’s doing it for kicks. Hmmm
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 4:35 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 5:00 am to la_birdman
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me on, Ben. Give me a break. I’ll be the first one to say, “well he has some decent points” but he doesn’t. He never has. You’ve seen what this guy posts. It’s over the top stuff. Add that to his little fits when he’s proven wrong, he is basically Tiger Rant spam.
If he can’t admit he made a mistake, then why does he continue to come back and post the same nonsense over and over? Don’t you find that a little weird? Almost like he’s doing it for kicks. Hmmm
I have to admit he's somewhat of a mystery. I've seen him post some outrageous stuff without batting an eyelash. I usually just laugh it off. It's mostly Joe Burrow stuff and I think that Joe is about to blow up myself although not on a scale that Jeaux believes. So I figure that Jeaux is mostly harmless. Plus we're usually on the same side although a couple of them have let me have it a little bit lately. I guess that's expected when you take a more conciliatory approach and the line gets blurred a little.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:10 am to bencoleman
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Well technically the 2015 offense was more productive. Not much more but more.
Actually it was much more productive. Ree chose season totals as his comparison points. Not only did he quote incorrect numbers for 2015, he also didn’t mention that 2015 arrived at those totals while playing one less game.
The difference in YPP is significant, 6.7 to 5.5. That’s the difference in top 15 vs top 80, or thereabouts.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:17 am to bencoleman
Since you are trying to turn over a new leaf...
I think all Madking is saying is that the words "NFL stars," have certain generally accepted implications. And I think you'd agree, that generally speaking, "NFL star" is something different than just someone who plays in the NFL.
If your goal is a discussion, like you said, It's tough to have that discussion if the concepts you use are your own personal definitions, because that would mean that anything you say that doesn't match the generally accepted definition of a word would have to be explained at length. Otherwise, yes, your original statement looks like it tries to alter the perceptions between two years.
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Further conversation with you is useless. my intention was not to get into an argument but have a discussion. Some people aren't interested in discussion and aren't equipped to do so. They're here to argue.
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I don't know that it isn't correct at all. The argument can be made that if you've made it to the big time then you've made it. I guess it's your personal definition.
I think all Madking is saying is that the words "NFL stars," have certain generally accepted implications. And I think you'd agree, that generally speaking, "NFL star" is something different than just someone who plays in the NFL.
If your goal is a discussion, like you said, It's tough to have that discussion if the concepts you use are your own personal definitions, because that would mean that anything you say that doesn't match the generally accepted definition of a word would have to be explained at length. Otherwise, yes, your original statement looks like it tries to alter the perceptions between two years.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:19 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:22 am to MOT
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Well technically the 2015 offense was more productive. Not much more but more.
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Actually it was much more productive
that tends to happen with three future NFL stars in the backfield and defenses averaging in the high 80s of total defense. The Competent defenses shut it down.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
S&P+ adjusts for opponents and game situation, and also says 2015 was approximately a touchdown better per game.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:42 am to RogerTheShrubber
Regular season LSU:
2018 - 4672 total yards
2015 - 4609 total yards
Postseason:
2018 - 555 total yards (against 12-1 UCF) UCF's Final AP #11
2015 - 638 total yards (against 7-6 TX Tech) TX Tech's Final AP unranked
2018 - 4672 total yards
2015 - 4609 total yards
Postseason:
2018 - 555 total yards (against 12-1 UCF) UCF's Final AP #11
2015 - 638 total yards (against 7-6 TX Tech) TX Tech's Final AP unranked
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:43 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:46 am to MOT
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S&P+ adjusts for opponents and game situation
The teams LSU beat averaged in the 80's in total defense in 2015. The three teams we lost to ranked 44
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 8:59 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:57 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Regular season LSU:
2018 - 4672 total yards
2015 - 4609 total yards
Postseason:
2018 - 555 total yards (against 12-1 UCF) UCF's Final AP #11
2015 - 638 total yards (against 7-6 TX Tech) TX Tech's Final AP unranked
You’re still refusing to account for 2015 playing one less game and can’t be taken seriously in any objective conversation. Ree, this one is the worst of your many alters.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:58 am to MOT
Let's hope O and E can put some type of competent offense together this year, it's already looking like they're going to lose 5* WR Rakim Jarrett. Can't afford to run off anymore prospects.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 8:59 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The teams LSU beat averaged 88th in total defense in 2015. The three teams we lost to ranked 44
S&P+ adjusts for opponents and game situation
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:00 am to MOT
I'm telling you, Football Outsiders stats are kryptonite to O Pumpers. They will neither accept nor acknowledge them.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:03 am to MOT
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S&P+ adjusts for opponents and game situation
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In its current state, S&P+ is based around the core concepts of the Five Factors of winning football: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.
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In terms of performance, S&P+ tends to hit between 51 and 54 percent against the Vegas spread
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he S&P+ ratings are an overall prediction tool, but honestly, the predictions are just intended to provide affirmation. If you know that the ratings can be used to at least slightly beat Vegas from year to year, then you can trust them in your analysis as well.
You're overusing the S&P+ system.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:04 am to Damone
No they will be gospel soon enough since Bill C / S&P+ has us in the top 5 going into the season.
Then again, we may be passing the point of hype phase and moving into the ratcheting down of expectations portion of the offseason, so it’s quite possible that his numbers are great one day and trash the next.
Then again, we may be passing the point of hype phase and moving into the ratcheting down of expectations portion of the offseason, so it’s quite possible that his numbers are great one day and trash the next.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You're overusing the S&P+ system.
It’s certainly much more primitive than averaging rankings amirite? How well does your complex system hit against the spread?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:06 am to Damone
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Football Outsiders stats are kryptonite to O Pumpers.
You're clueless as to what the S&P+ is used for.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:07 am to MOT
Once again, this all seems to be ignoring the fact that this is Miles' "decline" we are comparing O to.
Even if one were to concede that O's 2018 offense was marginally better than Miles' 2015 offense, how does one merit a raise and extension while one merits a failed attempt at firing.
Even if one were to concede that O's 2018 offense was marginally better than Miles' 2015 offense, how does one merit a raise and extension while one merits a failed attempt at firing.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You're overusing the S&P+ system.
STOP USING DATA THAT DISPROVES ME!!!
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:10 am to RogerTheShrubber
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three future NFL stars
three??
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and defenses averaging in the high 80s of total defense
soooo...Ensminger breaking all those records should be played down??
oh wait, you are talking about 2015! Silly me. You see, I was confused because in 2016 O and E played some of the worst defenses fielded in P5. And you were talking about over-inflated numbers against crappy defenses.
carry on!
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