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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:12 am to la_birdman
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:12 am to la_birdman
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But he had to whine, go to extremes like we all hate O and then belittle those who were just pointing out that he made an error, like he always does
don't forget the mass exodus of the board on 9/7!!!
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Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:16 am to MOT
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No they will be gospel soon enough since Bill C / S&P+ has us in the top 5 going into the season.
I'm not so sure. He had LSU at 15 preseason last year. That doesn't fit their narrative of LSU being terrible.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:18 am to tandrews37
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STOP USING DATA THAT DISPROVES ME!!!
In your opinion, what does it measure?
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:20 am to MOT
quote:You fail to account for the overall weakness of the teams LSU played in 2015.
You’re still refusing to account for 2015 playing one less game and can’t be taken seriously in any objective conversation. Ree, this one is the worst of your many alters.
Apart from #1 Bama, there were 3 ranked in the final AP poll - Ole Miss at #10, Western Kentucky at #24, and Florida at #25.
In '18, apart from #2 Bama, Georgia was #7, Florida #8, UCF # 11, and A&M #16. (Final AP Poll)
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:26 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:22 am to tandrews37
His team by team series provides the most in depth statistical preview out there. Most posters have never heard of nor read any of his work unless it’s mentioned here. They would probably have their mind blown by the thoroughness and immediately dismiss it anyway.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:33 am to Freauxzen
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I think all Madking is saying is that the words "NFL stars," have certain generally accepted implications. And I think you'd agree, that generally speaking, "NFL star" is something different than just someone who plays in the NFL.
If your goal is a discussion, like you said, It's tough to have that discussion if the concepts you use are your own personal definitions, because that would mean that anything you say that doesn't match the generally accepted definition of a word would have to be explained at length. Otherwise, yes, your original statement looks like it tries to alter the perceptions between two years.
I stated that it might have been a poor choice of words and player may have been a better fit. It makes me think that you're cherrypicking my posts which isn't a good look.
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I think all Madking is saying
All madking was saying was that I was deliberately lying and being dishonest. Which was unnecessarily inflammatory and designed to create conflict.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:34 am to MOT
Who needs advanced objective statistics when Weirdo Joe can just make up whatever he wants. He and his cohorts are the Flat Earthers of LSU Football.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:35 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:35 am to tandrews37
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I'm not so sure. He had LSU at 15 preseason last year. That doesn't fit their narrative of LSU being terrible.
This makes no sense
What factors go into the S&P+ offensive ratings? I'll tell you right now it doesn't factor in specific opponents defensive stats like you think it does.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The S&P+ Ratings are a college football ratings system derived from the play-by-play data of all 800+ of a season's FBS college football games (and 140,000+ plays). S&P+ ratings are based around the core concepts of the Five Factors: efficiency, explosiveness, field position, finishing drives, and turnovers.
While turnovers do not play a significant role in offensive and defensive ratings, here are the factors that do:
Success Rate: A common Football Outsiders tool used to measure efficiency by determining whether every play of a given game was successful or not. The terms of success in college football: 50 percent of necessary yardage on first down, 70 percent on second down, and 100 percent on third and fourth down.
IsoPPP: An explosiveness measure derived from determining the equivalent point value of every yard line (based on the expected number of points an offense could expect to score from that yard line) and, therefore, every play of a given game. IsoPPP looks at only the per-play value of a team's successful plays (as defined by the Success Rate definition above); its goal is to separate the explosiveness component from the efficiency component altogether. For more information about IsoPPP, click here.
Opponent adjustments: Each team's output for a given category (Success Rate, IsoPPP, and split stats like rushing, passing, standard downs, passing downs, etc.) is compared to the expected output based upon their opponents. This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones. In the tables below, the "+" designation is for measures that are adjusted for opponent.
Garbage time adjustments: The S&P+ figures used in the tables below only look at the plays that took place while a game was deemed competitive. Garbage-time plays and possessions have been filtered out of the calculations. The criteria for "garbage time" are as follows: a game is not within 38 points in the second quarter, 28 points in the third quarter, or 22 points in the fourth quarter.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:39 am to Damone
quote:You mean the sort of stats that predicted Hillary winning the 2016 election in a walk? Yeah. NOT impressed.
Who needs advanced objective statistics
And stats can be powerful (unless the statistician is simplistic in his thinking - or someone puts their thumb on the scale)
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:46 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:40 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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You mean the sort of stats that predicted Hillary winning the 2016 election in a walk? Yeah. NOT impressed.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:43 am to Damone
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This is a schedule-based adjustment designed to reward tougher schedules and punish weaker ones.
Look at LSU's offensive rating in 2015, look at the SoS.
Tell me what is included.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
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What factors go into the S&P+ offensive ratings? I'll tell you right now it doesn't factor in specific opponents defensive stats like you think it does.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:44 am to RogerTheShrubber
Why don't you contact Football Outsiders and criticize their data set and algorithm. Or better yet, start your own website since you think you have more accurate date implementation.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:46 am to Damone
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Why don't you contact Football Outsiders and criticize their data set and algorithm.
So what you're saying is you have no clue
Look at the 2015 LSU offensive rating, look at the SoS, tell me what it includes. It should be pretty easy.
Tia.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:47 am to Damone
I repeat:
Stats can be powerful (unless the statistician is simplistic in his thinking - or someone puts their thumb on the scale)
Stats can be powerful (unless the statistician is simplistic in his thinking - or someone puts their thumb on the scale)
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
I literally posted and bolded the information disproving your baseless accusation that they don't take into account strength of schedule. You are a Flat Earther.
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:48 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Stats can be powerful (unless the statistician is simplistic in his thinking - or someone puts their thumb on the scale)
You're right, Football Outsiders is just a huge scheme to make Poor Ol' O look bad. Just like the scientific community is hiding evidence of the world being flat. The moon landing was faked!
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:50 am to Buckeye Jeaux
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Stats can be powerful (unless the statistician is simplistic in his thinking - or someone puts their thumb on the scale)
FYI...the most simplistic stats and thinking mentioned in this particular exchange have been from you and Roger.
This post was edited on 6/21/19 at 9:51 am
Posted on 6/21/19 at 9:51 am to RogerTheShrubber
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In your opinion, what does it measure?
Efficiency and effectiveness.
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