re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America

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FYI...the most simplistic stats and thinking

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Which defensive stats go into the SoS in an offensive ranking

It should be easy to answer for someone who claims to be so intelligent.

In the 2015 LSU offensive SoS ranking, how was that derived?

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there is no poll out there that is adjusted for strength of opponent you nimrod.

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In LSU's offensive SoS rating, what defensive stats are figured into the SoS

It should be easy for someone who claims to know more than myself.

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they are using "total yards"

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Why would total yards of an opponent be important in determining the strength of opposing teams?

What a weird metric eh?

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pretty ironic that O-tards would be trying to rail against the website

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Wrong

I'm railing against your illiteracy in using the information.

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Or do you want me to provide the link and actually show everyone the in depth explanation you are completely disregarding?

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Roger is not the dumbest poster on this website. Far from it. But he is without a doubt the most disingenuous. The lengths he will go to fail to concede are astonishing.

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You can simply finish reading the article you parsed out the Vegas quote from if you truly want to attempt to understand his methodology.

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I absolutely do.

But you claim to possess superior knowledge.

Are you claiming opponents individual defensive stats are factored into this type of analytic? Which would include their Sos, and their opponents offensive data?

Since you claim to be so knowledgeable here.

Or do you not know and are just flinging shite hoping it sticks?

How did LSU's offensive SoS ranking get determined?

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thats the metric Buckeye Jeaux is relying upon.

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Unfortunately you can't understand when I'm poking fun of you.

Opponents defensive rankings are absolutely important in determining how good your offense may really be. To an extent

But you appear to dislike objective data.

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I absolutely do.

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Great. Did you read it?

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But you claim to possess superior knowledge.

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Link?

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Are you claiming opponents individual defensive stats are factored into this type of analytic? Which would include their Sos, and their opponents offensive data?

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Yes. And in case you aren’t aware, the methodology you came up with in this exchange does not.

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Since you claim to be so knowledgeable here.

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I haven’t claimed to be knowledgeable. I’ve pointed out that comparing season total yards of two teams who didn’t play the same number of games is ignorant, any rational/objective person would do the same. I also pointed out that if you want to go down the opponent strength rabbit hole there are much more in depth measurements than your “average defensive ranking” metric.

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Or do you not know and are just flinging shite hoping it sticks?

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The only people flinging anything here are those who are refusing to acknowledge a glaring error in their statistical comparison and those who think they performed some sort of deep dive on relative strength and performance while simultaneously disregarding a methodology that goes about 100 steps beyond their surface level measurement.

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How did LSU's offensive SoS ranking get determined?

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No one has mentioned an “offensive SoS ranking”. If you’re referring to S&P then simply refer back to the first answer.

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The only people flinging anything here are those who are refusing to acknowledge a glaring error in their statistical comparison

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This is correct. You fail to acknowledge the weakness of LSU's defensive opponents in game in which we won.

Overall defensive squads were terrible.

Looking at the adjusted S&P+ ranking for LSU, particularly for passing, are you under the impression that this was encompassing?

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Overall offensive and defensive S&P+ ratings are communicated as adjusted scoring averages (points per game). Situational 'plus' ratings -- Rushing S&P+, Success Rate+, FP+, etc. -- are still delivered on a scale in which 100.0 is the national average, above 100 is good (offense or defense) and below 100 is bad.

Please note that in the split of rushing and passing S&P+, sacks are counted as passes, as in NFL data, and not runs as in official NCAA totals.

The first table below offers situational stats -- rushing, passing, standard downs (SD), and passing downs (PD) -- and a team's opponent-adjusted Success Rate and IsoPPP measures. The second table offers unadjusted Success Rate and IsoPPP measures, plus two personality stats: Adjusted Run Pct. and Adjusted Pace. Adj. Run Pct. is an attempt to measure the intent of play-calling by looking at standard downs and passing downs run rates and calibrating so that every team has the same amount of each type of down. Meanwhile, learn more about Adj. Pace here. It compares a team's plays per game to its expected plays per game (based on run-pass rates) and is presented in terms of how many greater or fewer plays a team runs compared to expectation.

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Are you saying we should fire O right now??????? It sounds like that would make you happy.