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re: Sporting News: Edward Jim Orgeron Jr. is the 15th best coach in America
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:21 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:21 pm to OPTIMAX CAT
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We're all happy with a 6th place finish last season but we should be thankful as well, since its very unusual for a 3 loss team to finish with an AP 6th place national ranking.
I was responding to this...
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Why suddenly are we acting as if what Orgeron has done is anything other than what the old coach did?
That's why I said finishing 6th and a top 5 recruiting class. I agree it's very unusual for a 3 loss team to finish that high, but as I said we shouldn't diminish the '07 championship because a 2 loss team never one before or since.
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The idea that Miles handed Orgeron anything other than an elite roster of talented football players is absolutely incomprehensible.
I couldn't agree more. Again, my comment was about when he last did the two together.
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That's why it's insane to insist that Orgeron's terrible losses and his teams abysmal performances against inferior teams were due to a couple of untalented O linemen. It's absurd... It really is
Indeed it is. Space Cowboy actually flat out said the the Troy and State losses in '17 were on Miles and not Coach O.
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Now I can say I contributed to keeping this 100+ page thread moving along...
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Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:27 pm to RedTigerRulz
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And lost to almost every directional school in LA along the way. Please stop with the CPM comparisons. He couldnt figure out a way to take one from a geriatric coach and a team that had been abysmal coming in to the tournament....at home no less.
You do realize that Coach O had trouble with LA Tech, Florida, Alabama and Arkansas this past season as well as an entire second half vs Southeastern. That's over a fourth of the schedule. Also, the Louisiana schools didn't do anything to change the baseball teams postseason placement. We got a good draw.
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I also will repeat since you dont seem to read well.....that I'm not posting or starting threads about CPM because the season is OVER...dead horse and all.
I never said that you were currently, only that you did. I will repeat that the things you are calling out people for with Coach O that you did the same or worse with a different LSU head coach with the exact same conference finish.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:28 pm to TigerLunatik
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Space Cowboy actually flat out said the the Troy and State losses in '17 were on Miles and not Coach O.
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then SC is an idiot. Those losses are on O. But I'd be willing to ban bet we don't lose another game under O to the likes of Troy.
How that loss happened is a mystery to everyone. I dont think O will let a program like that slip up on him again.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:29 pm to RedTigerRulz
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But I'd be willing to ban bet we don't lose another game under O to the likes of Troy.
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. I dont think O will let a program like that slip up on him again.
I've said this for the longest time as well.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:34 pm to TigerLunatik
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You do realize that Coach O had trouble with LA Tech, Florida, Alabama and Arkansas this past season as well as an entire second half vs Southeastern
Having trouble with the Northwesterns/McNeeses/Techs in baseball is not the same as having trouble with FLA/Bama in football....come on man....and we won the other 3 games despite the trouble.....and you certainly dont make the CFPs losing to those kind of schools.
You guys wanna gloss over those lackluster performances because we ended up hosting a SR..only to shite the bed.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:37 pm to RedTigerRulz
Plus, you know as well as I do that the number of games played in BB allow you to overcome fuq-ups and still make the post season.
CPM has sucked the life out of ABS and I dont like his brand of baseball he plays...thats all Im saying on that matter.
O has a MUCH smaller margin for error in fb because of only playing 12 games...where losing one key game can potentially keep you out of the playoffs.
CPM has sucked the life out of ABS and I dont like his brand of baseball he plays...thats all Im saying on that matter.
O has a MUCH smaller margin for error in fb because of only playing 12 games...where losing one key game can potentially keep you out of the playoffs.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 8:41 pm to RedTigerRulz
I've never argued anything remotely opposed to those statements. In fact, I was arguing that exact point all year when people would say that if Orgeron lossed some the games that CPM did, he would be fired on the spot. Baseball is a long season. In college football, basically every week is a playoff game if you want to win a national championship.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:09 pm to dukke v
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least I want LSU to win under O....
YOU....Not so much..............
so someone that has never stepped foot in TS wants lsu to win but someone that goes to every home game wants lsu to lose?
onky 1 of us thought O was such a shite coach that 2018 would lose 6 games and it was you
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:12 pm to dukke v
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He wants O to fail soooo bad that he cant stand it.
link to a single shred of evidence that backs this opinion. just one.
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f he had his way LSU would go 2-10 just to get rid of O and bring Miles back
link a single shred of evidence that supports this opinion
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And IF that happened Miles could go 5-7 and Ricky would support
him........
yeah i only wanted him fired after having a 10 win season in 5 of his last 6 seasons.
im sorry you still haven't learned that facts arent defending or bashing. they are reality.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:19 pm to bencoleman
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I'll be critical when it's warranted.
has o done anything to warrant criticism since being named interim head coach?
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There are some people here that it's impossible to carry on a normal relationship with
only because you have to call posters pathetic,sad or claim that they want lsu to lose under O when they consistently posts facts about O's tenure that doesnt paint him as the savior of lsu football.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:27 pm to RedTigerRulz
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the only one missing is Rick and his stupid arse "facts" about why O is not the right guy.
link to one time i called for o to be fired.
you on the other hand.....
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:31 pm to TigerLunatik
I just don't understand the mentality of the "gotta blame someone" mentality is f 10% of the fan base. The overwhelming majority of these threads are desperately trying to blame of fire someone for something.
Ultimately everything falls on the HC, but the level of ridiculousness here can get disturbing.
Ultimately everything falls on the HC, but the level of ridiculousness here can get disturbing.
Posted on 6/23/19 at 11:44 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Those losses are on O.
The team was Os the day Les was fired. It shouldn't be controversial.
But watching people trying to play the blame game over stuff that happened a couple years when the season is a couple months away is a bit bothersome.
It's my guess some of these people are just getting shots in while they can, because that stuff means nothing
Posted on 6/24/19 at 3:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I just don't understand the mentality of the "gotta blame someone" mentality is f 10% of the fan base.
I agree with you 100% on this, Roger and I am also 100% guilty of this sometimes myself. I can only give you my side of this. I am very hard on coaches for 2 reasons. Obviously, they are (as you said) ultimately responsible for my team winning or losing and they get paid an obscene amount of money to do so. This is why I believe everyone here is biased in one way or another.
I've said this many times here, LSU sports has always been like a part of my family ever since I was a little kid and still is to this day. I love the school like I love a cousin and life revolves around it for us. For that reason I can try to be as objective as I can, but in the end I am not. It just runs too deep in my blood. My first football season was 1975 when I wasn't even a year old yet, but there I was in Tiger Stadium in diapers. I love LSU and all LSU fans. It feels like a brotherhood to me.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 3:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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But watching people trying to play the blame game over stuff that happened a couple years when the season is a couple months away is a bit bothersome.
The past usually repeats itself and we all seem to want to "win" these internet arguments. When talking about those past games I think that coaching philosophies aren't a bad discussion. Also, it's the 3rd new offense in as many years and think it gives some people a little pause. I think it can be a really good offense, but I've thought that before and it didn't turn out that way. Just like last season, if this offense can just be good this will be a great season that we will all remember for a long, long time.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 6:48 am to RedTigerRulz
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How that loss happened is a mystery to everyone.
It’s not that mysterious at all. The team was very thin on the line.
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Why LSU got pushed around by Troy, despite signing tons of blue-chip linemen
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Looking through the 2014-15 classes, the problem is clear. LSU signed 15 linemen in that span, and only six are still on the roster. That means nine did not complete their eligibility at LSU. While one did go pro early, the other eight transferred, and five of those had significant discipline problems.
Some of the players who are no longer on the roster were really talented. While he was rarely healthy, academically eligible, and in shape at the same time, Travonte Valentine was very talented, as were Trey Lealaimatafao and the Teuhema brothers.
Couple the lack of linemen with the shotgun marriage of the HC and OC and it’s a recipe for disaster.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 7:07 am to The First Cut
Here comes the Troy portion of the thread....
Posted on 6/24/19 at 7:07 am to TigerLunatik
This is the 2nd or 3rd Troy portion of the thread.Posted on 6/24/19 at 7:11 am to The First Cut
Well frick me running (as earl would say). I've read maybe half of the thread at most. While I may disagree with your assessment of the game, we can almost certainly agree that it's old news and that we're on to Cincinnati.
Posted on 6/24/19 at 7:26 am to TigerLunatik
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Also, it's the 3rd new offense in as many years and think it gives some people a little pause.
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