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re: Soooooooo what do the Coach O haters have to say this week?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:41 am to labeast335
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:41 am to labeast335
He still is a Dline coach that Syracuse did not want as their head coach.
Horrible hire that will be a weight around the neck of LSU until he is gone.
Not buying into CEO
Horrible hire that will be a weight around the neck of LSU until he is gone.
Not buying into CEO
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:46 am to I20goon
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I agree. But I hate myself for agreeing because I can't help but think 'why did it have to go that far'. I didn't have to happen. It's the same when you and I make a mistake... yeah can make the wrong right, but it still would've been better not to do it in the first place
The thing about many of Orgeron's mistakes is that you wonder why a reasonable person would make that mistake. Like at OM, holding an 80-play scrimmage in a rain delay, why would that even enter someone's mind to do that?
He thought it was a good idea to change his OC's offense, an OC that NFL head coaches borrow concepts from. I don't know how he even begins to think he knows any offensive concept better than a career OC.
The biggest problem is, he's the HC, so by definition he SHOULD make adjustments to coordinator's schemes as necessary because he's supposed to be the authority with the highest level of football acumen. But he doesn't have the knowledge base to do so. And now he's been told to leave them alone completely. It's a tortured position for him to be in and I don't think it'll hold up.
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 11:53 am
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:48 am to LSUDonMCO
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They are just lurking waiting for the Bama game to say "I told you so!!"
And that’s not at all what posters like you are doing? The amount of insecurity from the pumpers is astounding. We just beat Auburn...just be happy about it and stop making it about proving the message board meanies wrong like little children.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:57 am to Freauxzen
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they are realists purely, mostly and are looking at things from a logical perspective over the emotional one
Both sides look at things in an emotional perspective
Posted on 10/16/17 at 11:59 am to SportTiger1
quote:Agree
At this point, he is 5-2 with 2 REALLY BAD loses to teams that we should've dominated. (The AU game proves that)
quote:Agree
Looking objectively, this season has been a failure so far.
quote:Caveat: my personal metric is 2nd place in the SECW. That's my choice because the last time we finished that high in the division is 2012. So it would be an improvement after 5 years. To me, to qualify as any form of a success- that's what I'm wanting. Not 10 wins. Not bowl game. Not continuing any streaks.
O still has time and games to improve the season, but no win(s) will erase what has happened so far in this SEASON.
And while those losses do not go away, you are dead on about that, the SECW finish metric is somewhat self-adjusting. To have those two, bad, losses but yet right the ship enough to finish 2nd in the W, would be a significant improvement both on the season and over past seasons.
It's a huge IF, and no I don't see it coming to fruition. But IF it does, then there is a measure of success.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:02 pm to labeast335
why even bother to ask the question?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:07 pm to labeast335
This was a great win, but it doesn't erase historic losses to Mississippi State and Troy.
O still reminds me of a good INTERIM coach, not a permanent one.
Yes, when it looks like the team has hit rock bottom (at USC, last year and this year at LSU), he can pull them together and win games he probably shouldn't.
Now, can he deal with the success of the last 2 weeks and go on the road and beat an Ole Miss team that LSU really should beat?
That will be the first small sign that maybe, maybe, hiring him wasn't a gigantic mistake.
O still reminds me of a good INTERIM coach, not a permanent one.
Yes, when it looks like the team has hit rock bottom (at USC, last year and this year at LSU), he can pull them together and win games he probably shouldn't.
Now, can he deal with the success of the last 2 weeks and go on the road and beat an Ole Miss team that LSU really should beat?
That will be the first small sign that maybe, maybe, hiring him wasn't a gigantic mistake.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:07 pm to labeast335
I would say you lost to Troy and a shitty Mississippi State team. Congrats on beating Auburn. It was very impressive and you deserve a ton of credit for keeping this team from folding.
But to be honest the only thing that would be as monumental as losing to Troy this year would be to beat Bama this year!
If O pulls that off then hopefully we can chalk up the Troy loss and move on.
I’m very much impressed with his clock management though.
But to be honest the only thing that would be as monumental as losing to Troy this year would be to beat Bama this year!
If O pulls that off then hopefully we can chalk up the Troy loss and move on.
I’m very much impressed with his clock management though.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:08 pm to memphis tiger
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Now, can he deal with the success of the last 2 weeks and go on the road and beat an Ole Miss team that LSU really should beat?
That will be the first small sign that maybe, maybe, hiring him wasn't a gigantic mistake.
I'm 99% sure LSU will be up to play Alabama. Can O get them mentally prepared to play Ole Miss and get them juiced up to play with "energy" on Saturday?
I worry about this teams mindset going into small games, not big ones.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:08 pm to labeast335
O blew the Troy game because he tried to coach. Think about that, the AD had to tell him to stop meddling in the coaching. Yes, I hope he's fired asap.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:09 pm to RuLSU
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I'm 99% sure LSU will be up to play Alabama. Can O get them mentally prepared to play Ole Miss and get them juiced up to play with "energy" on Saturday?
I worry about this teams mindset going into small games, not big ones.
Yes, that was sort of my point.
But with this team, there are no small games. O has to understand that.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:10 pm to Nix to Twillie
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And that’s not at all what posters like you are doing? The amount of insecurity from the pumpers is astounding. We just beat Auburn...just be happy about it and stop making it about proving the message board meanies wrong like little children.
This.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:10 pm to labeast335
I'm not pro or nega O at this point. I don't think you can judge a coach so quickly. If he continues to let the coordinators do their job it will be a good thing. His job is to motivate and discipline when needed. Above all he needs to show up big in recruiting as a head coach, which he has yet to do. He is never going to be a Saban or Meyer type coach who can do it all. That doesn't mean he can't be successful. Time will tell; and until there is a coach we can actually get who can do it all, we should probably avoid paying three head coaching salaries. Why does everything have to be one extreme or the other with you people.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:16 pm to labeast335
Good win for Orgeron. I still don't like that the team came out flat early, but that was as impressive of a turnaround as I've ever seen.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:19 pm to Upperdecker
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But I expect LSU head coaches to play to their talent level, and the Miss St and Troy games were nowhere near the way we should have played
You must have missed the "we are not talented" agenda driven post since the Miss. St. beat down and Troy nightmare. We had those posters who were determined to put out the BS that Troy was as talented as LSU.
Auburn was a great comeback win and all on the team made LSU proud!
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:20 pm to labeast335
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Soooooooo what do the Coach O haters have to say this week?
I still say the same thing I thought about him last week. He's still not a good head coach but I'll give him credit for these wins the past two weeks and hope that the team continues to improve.
Why is it that every time a coach wins a game or two y'all want to crown him the greatest head coach in football?
That's a better question than the one you're asking because the fact remains that they got blown out by a mediocre Miss. St team and then lost at home to a Sunbelt team. Les didn't lose games like that for the most part but it was the same story with him. He would lose some games he wasn't supposed to lose and then he'd win a game and here come the pumpers with the "WHAT NOW" narrative that y'all love so much. It's not about winning a big game here and there. You continue to crown the guy every time he accomplishes something that should be expected of LSU.
You do understand that before he beat Florida and Auburn this team was a complete and udder laughing stock in the national media right? Is that what you want for this program? To be a laughing stock and then pull surprise upsets against teams that we used to be expected to beat. frick man. I want LSU back to what they were and Ed Orgeron isn't the guy that is going to do that and if you can't see it then I'm sorry that you get your feelings hurt when he's criticized.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:23 pm to LNCHBOX
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He still got blown out by State and lost to fricking Troy.
Those games don't go away.
Funny, you always used to excuse away the annual Less Miles idiotic coaching frickup.
WONDER
WHAT
CHANGED
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:32 pm to CptBengal
Miles was a championship winning coach. You're still a clown.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:33 pm to Goldrush25
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he's the HC, so by definition he SHOULD make adjustments to coordinator's schemes as necessary because he's supposed to be the authority with the highest level of football acumen.
Amen!
I don't know of any HC at a highly successful power 5 program who doesn't have that ability.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 12:36 pm to Goldrush25
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LSU shouldn't be in the business of hiring coaches that are still learning basic coaching skills.
exactly...
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