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re: Some Perspective on the QB Situation
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:18 pm to Kajuntiger121110
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:18 pm to Kajuntiger121110
Agreed. Tebow was very effective in the same way as Cam Newton….third and 5 or less. Anyway I don’t think anyone wants that to end up being our offense these days when pretty much every opponent can potentially put up 50 on you.
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Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:21 pm to Drayton80
The Tebow comparison was just to challenge the narrative going around this place that JD had a mediocre year. That's just empirically false. He had a very good year. I'd still obviously rather have Tim Tebow as our qb.
That said, you're fixating on the Tebow comparison here and ignoring the one that actually matters: JD vs Nuss. Obviously Nuss hasn't had a ton of playing time the past two years, but taken as a whole his performance has been below average.
JD doesn't have to be better than Tebow, he has to better than Nuss. And so far he has been by a wide margin. He's made plenty of mistakes, of course, but are we so sure benching him for Nuss wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
That said, you're fixating on the Tebow comparison here and ignoring the one that actually matters: JD vs Nuss. Obviously Nuss hasn't had a ton of playing time the past two years, but taken as a whole his performance has been below average.
JD doesn't have to be better than Tebow, he has to better than Nuss. And so far he has been by a wide margin. He's made plenty of mistakes, of course, but are we so sure benching him for Nuss wouldn't be throwing the baby out with the bathwater?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:28 pm to Mobiletiggah
How is that different from now? We beat 1 bad team who scored over 30 against us in regulation and were blown out every other time it happened.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 3:39 pm to Mobiletiggah
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Fact, if JD5 improves his pocket passing skills and effectiveness….no one will beat him out and no one will be unhappy.
Yep.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:08 pm to Drayton80
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Despite you saying that he is similar to Tebow (not accurate), his YPA, YPC, and Sacks Allowed are atrocious. Daniel's numbers in those categories are worse than Jennings, Etling, and Harris.
With 2 freshman tackles.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:09 pm to Kajuntiger121110
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These numbers from Tebow mean nothing! Qb play in college has elevated quite a bit since then. Those numbers are now avg
ROFLMAO
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:11 pm to Drayton80
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27 TDs does not equal 42
True, but does a 1-yard Noah Cain touchdown count for less points than a Malik Nabers 30-yard one? If Daniels gets the team down to goalline but somebody else punches it in, that is somehow a knock on him? I think points per drive would be a better measure of effectiveness for an offense, especially one that depends on its QB as much as we had to this season. And I honestly have no idea what ours was or how it compared relative to others.
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Despite you saying that he is similar to Tebow (not accurate)
I’d argue his season was similar to Tebow’s, though clearly not as good. And he absolutely must get better at throwing the ball downfield. I don’t think anyone would argue otherwise. But that’s the problem with his haters, he’s either as good or Tebow or he sucks.
In the Bech thread, people were comparing him to Duggan, a Heisman finalist this year, who I think should have actually won going away. He’s not as good as Duggan, so he sucks. There’s no nuance, no in-between. He’s either the best or he sucks. Period. And it’s insane to me that they appear to lack any semblance of self-awareness. Like that Madking moron and his straw man of thinking anyone who dare defend Daniels actually thinks he’s infallible or whatever other ridiculous synonym he uses. It is literally the EXACT OPPOSITE. But he and his ilk are too stupid to see it. Or are simply intellectually dishonest. Likely both.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:12 pm to Drayton80
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42 or 35 TDs would have been nice. All the numbers both good and bad are cute, but scoring points is the key. Too many unproductive drives this season in all 4 losses and even in a couple wins.
Irrelevant because we don’t have a hands down better option for QB this year. That’s just a fact. I hate that some of you can’t accept it. If Nuss was definitely better, he would have been the starter. BK isn’t “holding him back” or “playing favorites”. It’s nonsense and irrational to believe Nuss is better with the available data.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:16 pm to J2thaROC
The Oline graded out top 8 nationally. You guys keep ignorantly trying to blame everyone else but you’ll have to look elsewhere because the Oline was outstanding.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:16 pm to des4271
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All that said and Tebow couldn’t make it in the NFL because he couldn’t make all the throws needed to be a successful NFL QB and the same applies to JD as of now. He will need to improve his accuracy on the deep and intermediate throws ( be willing to throw them also ) on top of getting better at pre and post snap reads,better processing skills and throwing on time. He has a lot of work to do to be good enough to carry this team to a championship next year.
I haven’t seen a single person say otherwise. Those of us who are pro JD are just not irrational and believe based off a half a game of garbage time decent showing by Nuss proves he’s the better QB. He may be, but it’s not proven yet.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:18 pm to Drayton80
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Are there any other Heisman trophy winners that we can compare him to? I remember Burrow shitting the bed against a team with a losing record, putting up 80 yards passing against AUB, and getting completely shutdown against Arkansas. The Heisman selection committee is just racist. That is the only explanation for them not inviting Daniels to the ceremony this season. I know players like Burrow come along nearly every year, so it makes sense that Daniels is guaranteed to wake up this summer and have the ability to make reads, an accurate arm, and the courage to let the ball fly. If Burrow can do it, anyone can.
Ironic because of all the people who believe Nuss is the second coming of Joe based off a mediocre performance against an uninterested and playing soft defense.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:19 pm to J2thaROC
Record breaking = mediocre? You’re so dishonest and bent nothing you say can be taken seriously.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:19 pm to One Through Ten
Downvote it for the fricked up scream name, and the long arse post that I didn’t even bother to read
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:25 pm to One Through Ten
Yeah I’m Not reading all that
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:28 pm to One Through Ten
We don’t beat Bama with Nuss at QB. Got to have that run threat!
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:28 pm to Madking
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The Oline graded out top 8 nationally. You guys keep ignorantly trying to blame everyone else but you’ll have to look elsewhere because the Oline was outstanding.
And JD was graded as the 18th best QB in college this year. Like I’ve said, he’s no superstar but he’s not nearly as terrible as some of y’all make him out to be and there is zero legitimate evidence to believe we had a better option.
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:31 pm to Madking
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Record breaking = mediocre?
What record breaking?
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:33 pm to J2thaROC
No he wasn’t and no he wasn’t terrible either but to put the blame for his mistakes on guys who played at a near elite level is dishonest. I know you fanboys take it as criticism but I don’t fault JD, I fault Denbrock and Kelly for not seeing his obvious strengths and weaknesses and adjusting accordingly. He’s an exceptional runner and an average passer so why isn’t the offense tailored to that is my question. I think you can win big with the guy just not the way we’re using him.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:33 pm to One Through Ten
The yards per play and TDs are vastly different between the two best years when you compare them. Bottom line is Jayden has the tools to be a great QB. He has to improve and be willing to throw the deep ball an take some risk if he wants to be elite in todays college game. It also will help if we can return to the days of having a dominant defense as well. That’s a QB’s best friend
Posted on 12/29/22 at 4:38 pm to Madking
Then you are at least somewhat rational.
Like I said. I’ve never denied JDs flaws. He has them. My entire argument is against those that believe Nuss is DEFINITELY the answer based ONLY off his performance against a Georgia defense THAT WAS PLAYING SOFT COVERAGE. I admit, it was a decent performance, but it was not against a Georgia defense that was all in on it and it is simply not enough data to proclaim him the better QB for all of those who are doing so.
He may be the better QB. I’m fine if he starts. It’s not like I have some serious issue with the kid. He has had a turnover issue in prior performances. It’s something he could overcome. But JD could also overcome his issues.
Like I said. I’ve never denied JDs flaws. He has them. My entire argument is against those that believe Nuss is DEFINITELY the answer based ONLY off his performance against a Georgia defense THAT WAS PLAYING SOFT COVERAGE. I admit, it was a decent performance, but it was not against a Georgia defense that was all in on it and it is simply not enough data to proclaim him the better QB for all of those who are doing so.
He may be the better QB. I’m fine if he starts. It’s not like I have some serious issue with the kid. He has had a turnover issue in prior performances. It’s something he could overcome. But JD could also overcome his issues.
This post was edited on 12/29/22 at 4:41 pm
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