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re: Some of you guys are pathetic
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:39 am to TriumphTiger
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:39 am to TriumphTiger
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I don't think either is tainted. I'm just saying that our 2007 championship is UNCONTESTED.
the fact that the 2003 is/was contested is stil bullshite .. but that is a subject that is beyond a beaten horse ..
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Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:40 am to KjunTiga
Miles did inheret a 3 loss team. If he wins out this year, we are a 3 loss team.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:41 am to TigahRag
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then handed the keys to that car over to miles for the 2007 championship
Saban had been gone for TWO YEARS. I know that was a lot of his players, but if Miles was such a huge f'ing moron, the wheels would've completely come off. Talent is talent - no doubt. Coaching is the difference between winning and losing in the SEC.
I'm not trying to say the Miles>Saban or Miles=Saban ... NOT AT ALL.
What I will defend is that Miles is a GOOD coach, but not GREAT. The mistakes he makes keeps him from being great. His poor public speaking skills either create ... or add fuel to the fire ... that he is somehow incompetent.
I assert that he is not incompetent ... even in the face of the Ole Miss debacle.
I will not ever say that he is a genius ... or great ... or elite.
He IS a good coach though. I know that's not popular on the board right now, but I'm standing behind that.
I am very willing to accept the argument that he is not good enough for what we now expect out of the program. I'm not sure that's the case, but there is certainly a valid argument for it.
However, with his contract, he IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. The best we can hope for is a successful reboot of the offensive staff.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:41 am to Me4Heisman
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2007 may garnered a NC, but it was also a season where LSU lost to two unranked teams (1 of them at home) beat a mediocre Tennessee team for the SEC title and got to play an overrated OSU on their home turf. These are all facts, not opinions.
i.e. miles had a horseshoe in his arse .. in no other season since the inception of the BCS could a 2-loss team have even sniffed a shot at the NC ... EVERYTHING fell into place beautifully for it to happen .. the planets had to align and they did ..
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:41 am to TigahRag
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But Saban didn't take over LSD anymore than the 2007 Title is Saban's.
huh?
I'm saying Saban didn't take over a HS program anymore than the 2007 team was Saban's. Saban did a lot of great things and he left things much,much better than he found them,but the 2007 title is Miles --not Saban's.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:42 am to Ray Ray Rodman
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The 2 losess tainted the NC.
So any team that is not undefeated has a tainted title according to stupid pieces of shite like you, sonnyboy? Wow, thanks for the profound logic there, sonnyboy. Now do the world a favor and drink rat poison.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:42 am to Me4Heisman
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2007 may garnered a NC, but it was also a season where LSU lost to two unranked teams (1 of them at home) beat a mediocre Tennessee team for the SEC title and got to play an overrated OSU on their home turf. These are all facts, not opinions.
Ok, in 2003 we lost to an unranked Florida at home and nearly blew it at Ole Miss. One could say Oklahoma was overrated and USC should have been in that game. In addition, we also played Oklahoma on our "home turf."
Either both are clear National Championships or both are tainted. Pick your poison and be consistent.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:43 am to TigahRag
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the fact that the 2003 is/was contested is stil bullshite .. but that is a subject that is beyond a beaten horse ..
I'm not disagreeing AT ALL, but it IS now a given in college football that we split that title with USC.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:44 am to TigahRag
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TigahRag
dude, I am not bashing Shannon. I just think that "decent" would not cut it here. And if you think Miami fans don't have high expectations you need to wake up. They were on top of the world for a couple decades. I am just saying if Randy Shannon had produced the same results here as he has done at Miami, then our base would be ready to get rid of him. Remember, he is playing in a weaker conference also.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:44 am to Alltheway Tigers!
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Either both are clear National Championships or both are tainted. Pick your poison and be consistent.
People can talk about "Saban hate" all they want,but the I just don't understand "the Miles haters" digging in on the 2007 NC like a dog grabbbing a dishtowel. Why some of our own fans pick it apart like a vulture hoing in on a dead rodent on the side of the road is beyond me.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:44 am to TigahRag
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from a moral standpoint .. the program was downtrodden and headed nowhere .. let's face it .. step back and compare the program saban inherited to the one miles took over ... there is NO comparison ..
You are correct. Before 2003, no one really took LSU seriously. We were the underdogs. After 2003, we become a huge target, as evident by our glorious 2004 season and beyond.
Everyone wants to beat LSU when we play now.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:45 am to The Egg
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Some of you guys are pathetic
a tainted NC is still an NC
Look who is back, our piccolo playing expert.
Where you been Egg?
Who else deserved the NC over LSU in '07?
While you're at it,answer the question about openly criticizing your coach.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:45 am to I-59 Tiger
yeah, after saturday you are going to have a really easy time convincing people that the 2007 NC was miles' coaching more than saban's players ..
dinardo left a little talent here .. but starting at the end of the 1997 season his recruiting went to shite .. he made HORRIBLE coordinator choices .. started buring his bridges with the big north louisiana high schools -- the west monroes and the evangels .. buring his bridges with the NOLA schools too ... saban changed all of that, coached up what he had, won the SEC title in just his second year ... that was ALL saban's doing ... miles had mega talent, a recruiting blueprint, and a fence around louisiana stuck in his hand when he got here ..
dinardo left a little talent here .. but starting at the end of the 1997 season his recruiting went to shite .. he made HORRIBLE coordinator choices .. started buring his bridges with the big north louisiana high schools -- the west monroes and the evangels .. buring his bridges with the NOLA schools too ... saban changed all of that, coached up what he had, won the SEC title in just his second year ... that was ALL saban's doing ... miles had mega talent, a recruiting blueprint, and a fence around louisiana stuck in his hand when he got here ..
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:45 am to Alltheway Tigers!
Let's give both national championships back since they were tainted, oh and maybe the SEC championships while we are at it.
It's one thing to use the win/loss argument to bash Miles and our team, but when you start discrediting championships....you are grasping at straws to try to prove your point.
It's one thing to use the win/loss argument to bash Miles and our team, but when you start discrediting championships....you are grasping at straws to try to prove your point.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:47 am to TigahRag
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yeah, after saturday you are going to have a really easy time convincing people that the 2007 NC was miles' coaching more than saban's players ..
Are you saying the 2001 SEC Title was won with DiNardo's players ?
Regardless how much you hate the guy,I just surprised you cannot give Miles any credit for the 2007 NC--three seasons after Saban left.
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:48 am to SS4LSU
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dude, I am not bashing Shannon. I just think that "decent" would not cut it here. And if you think Miami fans don't have high expectations you need to wake up. They were on top of the world for a couple decades. I am just saying if Randy Shannon had produced the same results here as he has done at Miami, then our base would be ready to get rid of him. Remember, he is playing in a weaker conference also.
seriously .. you don't understand UM football .. and any miami-based poster on here can tell you this ... outside of the notre dame game and orange bowls during their championship years, there were more empty seats than occupied seats in the orange bowl stadium -- seriously ... now that they have had to move to fort lauderdale and play, it is even worse ... UM has not gotten 1/50th the local support that LSU has even during LSU's marginal to lean years ... you are way way over valuing the importance of college football in the miami market based on its value here, trust me ..
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:51 am to TigahRag
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Some of you guys are pathetic
yeah, after saturday you are going to have a really easy time convincing people that the 2007 NC was miles' coaching more than saban's players ..
dinardo left a little talent here .. but starting at the end of the 1997 season his recruiting went to shite .. he made HORRIBLE coordinator choices .. started buring his bridges with the big north louisiana high schools -- the west monroes and the evangels .. buring his bridges with the NOLA schools too ... saban changed all of that, coached up what he had, won the SEC title in just his second year ... that was ALL saban's doing ... miles had mega talent, a recruiting blueprint, and a fence around louisiana stuck in his hand when he got here ..
Maybe we should hire your coach or even you.What say you?
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:53 am to I-59 Tiger
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Are you saying the 2001 SEC Title was won with DiNardo's players ?
sure .. the juniors, seniors, and fifth-year seniors on that team were dinardo's players .. absolutely .. and dinardo's players were coached up by saban -- a FAR superior coach to dinardo ... they were coached up by saban's assistants .. FAR superior assistants to dinardo's ... in 2007, once again, the juniors, seniors, and fifth-year players were saban's recruits ... but are you going to say they were COACHED up by miles ?? sure, miles had a good staff and you have to give him credit for that ... but come on, it is really hard to compare the two transitions ..
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Regardless how much you hate the guy,I just surprised you cannot give Miles any credit for the 2007 NC--three seasons after Saban left.
no more than you obviously hate saban for leaving ..
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:54 am to TigahRag
Rag how much are u contributing to the buyout cause
Posted on 11/25/09 at 9:55 am to Bert Lyons 716
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Maybe we should hire your coach or even you.What say you?
let's leave the 2nd grade rhetoric out of it and just not post a response if that is the best you have ..
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