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Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:33 pm to JambalayaAintAllThat
Why is that wrong... I contradict myself because it's not a black and white situation. It's not first take where you feel strongly one way or the other.
I like our coach and players, but there not there yet on the lines. I don't know if it's talent or coaching on those positions. .
The only thing I know for sure is that even though I love burrow as a leader,love his toughness his accuracy,especially on short to intermediate routs or throws..but he's limited in his arm strength and that's not getting it done against the best teams ..
I may change my mind next season, but let's not put the Heisman trophy candidate able on him this off season...
I don't care who the coach is, Bill Walsh couldnt even get 40 tdS out of him though. He's limited.
Steve ensminger damn sure ain't getting that out of him. .just not creative enough offense in my opinion..
The contradiction in my mind is, is our lack of offense creativity strictly coaching, or is our lack of good o line play and continuity keeping us from the creativity we desire
I like our coach and players, but there not there yet on the lines. I don't know if it's talent or coaching on those positions. .
The only thing I know for sure is that even though I love burrow as a leader,love his toughness his accuracy,especially on short to intermediate routs or throws..but he's limited in his arm strength and that's not getting it done against the best teams ..
I may change my mind next season, but let's not put the Heisman trophy candidate able on him this off season...
I don't care who the coach is, Bill Walsh couldnt even get 40 tdS out of him though. He's limited.
Steve ensminger damn sure ain't getting that out of him. .just not creative enough offense in my opinion..
The contradiction in my mind is, is our lack of offense creativity strictly coaching, or is our lack of good o line play and continuity keeping us from the creativity we desire
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:34 pm to bencoleman
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Very good first post.
I'll allow it.
No surprise that you'll allow a post full of excuses for not being elite.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:35 pm to Allthatfades
You expected 7-8 wins on the basis that auburn and miami were good football teams and that just wasn't the case.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:36 pm to TrevRollings29
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That's literally what he was hired to do. You cant be a great coach if you cant win your division at least some years.
You could argue that.
He can only do so much though. If our teams have injuries or suspensions how is he supposed to mitigate those circumstances?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:40 pm to Tigerpride18
I'm not coming up with excuses. I'm trying to understand how we can get the offense better and what's the reason its not..
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:47 pm to Goldrush25
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We've recruited as well on the lines as OU and Clemson.
And what conference do they play in?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:50 pm to Goldrush25
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He can only do so much though. If our teams have injuries or suspensions how is he supposed to mitigate those circumstances?
You have to be trolling at this point.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:52 pm to Lonnie4LSU
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Since when has 9-3, 5-3, with the 10th best O in the SEC, a 29-0 L to Bama at home, and our 1st L to A&M in over a decade become overachieving for LSU football?
Have our expectations dropped that far in 3 short yrs?
for better or worse, yes our expectations were lower coming into this season than how we finished. Vegas had our o/u win total at 7.5. The national media largely projected us as a 7-5/8-4 team. No one expected us to beat Auburn or Georgia, especially Georgia. Many of our own fans thought we'd struggle to win 6 games. That may not be the expectation we all wanted, and there is plenty of blame to spread around as to how we got to that point. However, it is not unreasonable to say this team exceeded expectations this year. Now, their task is to improve upon what they were able to achieve this year. That would be a sign that Orgeron has the ability to build this program back to what it was. He has shown he can sustain what the program had fallen to when Miles was canned, but his job is to get better. We'll see if he can do that.
Lastly, I do think fans need to stop putting so much emphasis on one game (Alabama). And I'll just leave it at that.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:53 pm to Tigerpride18
The more I think and talk bout it....does our offensive production come down to one simple question?
I mean, does the question of whether or not o needs to get rid of coach e come down to this questin below ?
Is orgerons most important job after the bowl game ,to Figure out if the offenses lack of creativity and CONSISTENT production is on coach ensmingers offenses design and play calling.
Or is his offense so hampered by pass protection that it's not possible to know what we've got here with burrow and coach ensminger?
If it's the latter, then he's gonna stay rite?
I mean, does the question of whether or not o needs to get rid of coach e come down to this questin below ?
Is orgerons most important job after the bowl game ,to Figure out if the offenses lack of creativity and CONSISTENT production is on coach ensmingers offenses design and play calling.
Or is his offense so hampered by pass protection that it's not possible to know what we've got here with burrow and coach ensminger?
If it's the latter, then he's gonna stay rite?
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:53 pm to TrevRollings29
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You have to be trolling at this point.
As an exercise in balance, I've made a decision to make arguments for both sides.
I don't necessarily believe some of the viewpoints I put forth in some of these threads but I will not be accused of being one-sided, biased or bashing the head coach and his administration.
This post was edited on 12/31/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:53 pm to CDawson
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And what conference do they play in?
What does this matter? Clemson woud be just fine in the SEC. The excuses done of y'all make for not performing are just sad.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:56 pm to Tigerpride18
the biggest difference between us and Alabama is oline and defensive front 7 here is just the last 2 recruiting classes (2018-2019)
All per 24/7 sports composite
Alabama 2018
Eyabi Anoma WDE #4 overall #1 at position
Stephon Wynn SDE #74 #3
Jordan Davis WDE #108 #6
Emil Ekiyor OC #113 #3
Cameron Latu WDE #131 #7
Tommy Brown OG #132 #4
Ale Kaho ILB #133 #7
Christian Barmore DT #176 #16
Alabama 2019 class
Evan Neal OT #20 #5
Antonio Alfano SDE #28 #3
Pierce Quick OT #35 #6
Amari Kight OT #52 #8
Shane Lee ILB #70 #5
Justin Eboigbe SDE #75 #5
Byron Young SDE #88 #6
Kevin Harris WDE #113 #5
King Mwikuta WDE #160 #9
Braylen Ingraham SDE #190 #14
That is a Ridiculous amount of talent on both lines
LSU 2018 class
Jarell Cherry WDE #198 #12
Chasen Hines DT #243 #21
Micah Baskerville ILB #277 #14
Davin Cotton DT #284 #23
LSU 2019 class
Kardell Thomas OG #32 #2
Marcel Brooks OLB #44 #3
Donte Starks ILB #114 #6
Ray Parker OT #154 #16
Siaki Ika DT #159 #11
Anthony Bradford OG #199 #13
As you can see there is a big discrepancy on both lines of scrimmage I do believe Coach O is getting us on the right track but we have a long way to go and we need to start by landing big Ish and maybe we can start turning the tide no pun intended
Also one look at Georgia’s last two recruiting classes And you will see that they are recruiting both lines of scrimmage just as well as Alabama if not better. for LSU to get where they want to be not only will they have to beat Alabama but then beat a Georgia team that is just as talented in the SEC championship. It is just almost unfair how good they are recruiting. I love my tigers and want to see us win and get back to the promised land! Geaux Tigers!!!
All per 24/7 sports composite
Alabama 2018
Eyabi Anoma WDE #4 overall #1 at position
Stephon Wynn SDE #74 #3
Jordan Davis WDE #108 #6
Emil Ekiyor OC #113 #3
Cameron Latu WDE #131 #7
Tommy Brown OG #132 #4
Ale Kaho ILB #133 #7
Christian Barmore DT #176 #16
Alabama 2019 class
Evan Neal OT #20 #5
Antonio Alfano SDE #28 #3
Pierce Quick OT #35 #6
Amari Kight OT #52 #8
Shane Lee ILB #70 #5
Justin Eboigbe SDE #75 #5
Byron Young SDE #88 #6
Kevin Harris WDE #113 #5
King Mwikuta WDE #160 #9
Braylen Ingraham SDE #190 #14
That is a Ridiculous amount of talent on both lines
LSU 2018 class
Jarell Cherry WDE #198 #12
Chasen Hines DT #243 #21
Micah Baskerville ILB #277 #14
Davin Cotton DT #284 #23
LSU 2019 class
Kardell Thomas OG #32 #2
Marcel Brooks OLB #44 #3
Donte Starks ILB #114 #6
Ray Parker OT #154 #16
Siaki Ika DT #159 #11
Anthony Bradford OG #199 #13
As you can see there is a big discrepancy on both lines of scrimmage I do believe Coach O is getting us on the right track but we have a long way to go and we need to start by landing big Ish and maybe we can start turning the tide no pun intended
Also one look at Georgia’s last two recruiting classes And you will see that they are recruiting both lines of scrimmage just as well as Alabama if not better. for LSU to get where they want to be not only will they have to beat Alabama but then beat a Georgia team that is just as talented in the SEC championship. It is just almost unfair how good they are recruiting. I love my tigers and want to see us win and get back to the promised land! Geaux Tigers!!!
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:56 pm to CDawson
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And what conference do they play in?
I have no problem believing both of those teams would do just fine in the SEC.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 12:58 pm to BooTBoY87
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As you can see there is a big discrepancy on both lines of scrimmage I do believe Coach O is getting us on the right track but we have a long way to go and we need to start by landing big Ish and maybe we can start turning the tide no pun intended
You don't need to recruit as well as Bama on the line to compete with them.
OU played them tough and they recruit no better than we do.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:06 pm to Tigerpride18
Agreed, it is unrealistic to think LSU will seriously challenge for the playoffs unless they improve the coaching
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:07 pm to Goldrush25
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OU played them tough and they recruit no better than we do.
OU recruits quite a bit worse than we do. But they still managed to score 34 points while once again we are shutout
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:07 pm to Tigerpride18
From 2003-2013 the expectation was to compete for the SEC West (which in turn put you in the NC picture). Why should we expect less than that? Why should we lower our expectations? Our two prior coaches won 2 NC's, 5 SEC Titles and 6 SEC West titles, why should we lower the expectations for O?
LSU hasn't lowered any of the cost to fans.
LSU hasn't lowered any of the cost to fans.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:09 pm to Goldrush25
The score was respectable but don't fool yourself, Bama could have scored as much as they wanted to on Oklahoma. The discrepancy in LSU/Bama's o-line/d-line is the direct result of the outcomes in the games along with Miles and O's conservative approaches on offense.
Posted on 12/31/18 at 1:10 pm to Goldrush25
If you don’t think there is a direct correlation between excellent recruiting and excellence on the field the there is nothing I can say that you will understand. Can you still succeed sometimes without recruiting as well? Of course but the teams doing that let’s say Oklahoma since that’s who you referenced have a dynamic Heisman Trophy quarterback
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