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re: Some LSU Basketball perspective for our program's direction
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:55 pm to ellessuuuu
Posted on 3/19/14 at 1:55 pm to ellessuuuu
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Recruiting is better, but results on the court are no different than Johnson's last season (.500 in conference one win the SECT and an NIT bid ). Johnson's lack of talent was his own fault.
We wern't .500 in the SEC in Trent Johnson's last season.
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Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:02 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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We wern't .500 in the SEC in Trent Johnson's last season.
That rant is a master on revisionist history.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:26 pm to pellietigersaint
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You JJ detractors try so fricking hard.
I love the "LSU will not make postseason play". So, LSU makes postseason play and it turns to "who cares bout the NIT postseason tourney" or "LSU didn't deserve to get into the postseason".
We will have to see what they do when they get to campus, but I like the guards coming in. I believe I see an ability on their part to penetrate and shoot the ball. Still a tad small, but I hope they can improve our G play.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 2:44 pm to dgnx6
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But look at Brady, not a great coach, and def not a guy fans could get behind, but we had some serious talent under him and did well.
I wouldn't say 3 above .500 SEC seasons in 11 years is doing well. But that is a whole different thread.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:18 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I can't help you though if you can't see that our program is heading in the right direction given our current state of recruiting.
What's the sense of recruiting well if you can't coach a lick of defense? JJ needs to hire someone who can help him with teaching the fundamentals of D.
I still think were generally going in the right direction.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:20 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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I read today that UNT will likely put Johnny Jones into their Athletics Hall of Fame one day.
Wonderful...how in anyway does that benefit us?
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:40 pm to RedTigerRulz
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Wonderful...how in anyway does that benefit us?
Try and keep up. I was making the point that he had great success there relative to that program's history.
Posted on 3/19/14 at 3:58 pm to oauron
My apologies, we were one game under .500 TJ's last season. So in two seasons with much better talent we are now one game better.
By the way, the cupboard was not completely bare when TJ left. He did leave a McDonalds AA post player, and a starting PG that is likely to finish his career at LSU very high on the all-time assist/TO ratio list and the steals list. Jones has done relatively the same as TJ did in his last season. Difference is Jones has more talent.
By the way, the cupboard was not completely bare when TJ left. He did leave a McDonalds AA post player, and a starting PG that is likely to finish his career at LSU very high on the all-time assist/TO ratio list and the steals list. Jones has done relatively the same as TJ did in his last season. Difference is Jones has more talent.
This post was edited on 3/19/14 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 3/19/14 at 6:09 pm to ellessuuuu
So Johnny Jones was left with one good post player and 1 above average guard but the cupboard wasn't bare?
Lol ok
Lol ok
Posted on 3/19/14 at 11:26 pm to ellessuuuu
First postseason win of any kind since 2008-09.
First 20-win season since 2008-09.
Progress. #FaithinJohnny
First 20-win season since 2008-09.
Progress. #FaithinJohnny
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:10 am to Mickey Goldmill
How many coaches step into a situation with a good big and consistent PG. Do you really not see the value in that? Bruce Pearl I'm sure would love to trade what jones got with his group at auburn. He also inherited a shooting guard that is in the top 10 in assists and near the top of the all time three point list for LSU.
I don't mind eating crow. Team played much better D tonight. Glad to see us improving on one of our weaknesses. We also avoided foul trouble. On a side note, I do not believe the SEC was as bad as advertised this year.
Although I still do not understand his stubborn desire to at least try zone. He calls a TO to set up a 1-2-2/3-2 zone in the second half and we immediately give up an easy layup in the half court set. This team does not play zone well, his hard headed determination to play zone baffles me.
I don't mind eating crow. Team played much better D tonight. Glad to see us improving on one of our weaknesses. We also avoided foul trouble. On a side note, I do not believe the SEC was as bad as advertised this year.
Although I still do not understand his stubborn desire to at least try zone. He calls a TO to set up a 1-2-2/3-2 zone in the second half and we immediately give up an easy layup in the half court set. This team does not play zone well, his hard headed determination to play zone baffles me.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 12:12 am
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:18 am to ellessuuuu
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we were one game under .500 TJ's last season
LSU was 20 games under .500 in the SEC in Trent's last three years. Two years of .500 play in the SEC after that three year pile of shite is certainly a move in the right direction.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:27 am to LSU Groupee
The question was about the direction of the program. What was wrong with my answer: recruiting is much better but the results in the court have not noticeably improved since TJ's last season.
Also noticed you cut your trip back down memory lane to just the two prior years under TJ.
Also noticed you cut your trip back down memory lane to just the two prior years under TJ.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 12:28 am
Posted on 3/20/14 at 10:07 am to Mickey Goldmill
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Try and keep up. I was making the point that he had great success there relative to that program's history.
Ok...I see...let me rephrase.....who cares?
Posted on 3/20/14 at 12:01 pm to RedTigerRulz
It's pretty relevant when you are arguing over how good a coach Johnny Jones is.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:35 pm to Mickey Goldmill
So despite having 3 years of pretty tough sanctions and a few years of issues right before that in the last 20 years, LSU managed to make the NCAA tournament 5 times.
I like Johnny Jones, and I hope he succeeds, but his coaching (sans recruiting) is mediocre at best right now. LSU has significant talent and is playing in an SEC conference that is down significantly compared to the the first 10-12 years of the time you are referencing.
In the end, as bad as he was at times, Brady got LSU to the tournament 4 times. Think about that. He made a tournament 6 times in 11 years, and the NCAA tournament 4 times in that span. So he made a tournament every other year on average.
As bad as Trent was, he took LSU two tournaments in 4 years, including his last year before leaving.
Since 1999-2000 (13 years up until JJ took over), LSU went to a tournament 8 times, so forgive some of us for not jumping for joy or expecting more from his team this year than getting to the NIT.
I like Johnny Jones, and I hope he succeeds, but his coaching (sans recruiting) is mediocre at best right now. LSU has significant talent and is playing in an SEC conference that is down significantly compared to the the first 10-12 years of the time you are referencing.
In the end, as bad as he was at times, Brady got LSU to the tournament 4 times. Think about that. He made a tournament 6 times in 11 years, and the NCAA tournament 4 times in that span. So he made a tournament every other year on average.
As bad as Trent was, he took LSU two tournaments in 4 years, including his last year before leaving.
Since 1999-2000 (13 years up until JJ took over), LSU went to a tournament 8 times, so forgive some of us for not jumping for joy or expecting more from his team this year than getting to the NIT.
This post was edited on 3/20/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 3/20/14 at 1:47 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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Johnny Jones proved at North Texas that he can coach and not just recruit.
How? By beating up teams in a crappy Sun Belt conference? Look. He did well for himself at North Texas, but just as most of us felt at the time he was hired, his "success" there has more to do with the fact he coached in an extremely mediocre conference. He didn't prove he could win anything there as far as important hardware for LSU. His teams made the tournament twice and got blown out in the opening round both times once they played a team with a pulse.
People aren't looking at results alone this year as far as their concerns arise. They are using what they saw, particularly in what looked like a reasonably talented, but poorly coached team.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:14 pm to Geauxgurt
You're both overstating our total level of talent right now. Since the 2000-2001 season, we've gotten to 20 wins only 4 times. This season makes 5.
Some of you are just not being realistic in what our program is on the national level. I'm not satisfied in the NIT but I'm going to take the positives from the situation. This is a step up from where we've been the past 5 years.
The whole point in this thread is for some of you to have a little perspective so you can enjoy the ride and support this team and coach. Have more patience than 2 seasons. Give the man a chance to make his own roster. The additions so far should at least make you optimistic.
Some of you are just not being realistic in what our program is on the national level. I'm not satisfied in the NIT but I'm going to take the positives from the situation. This is a step up from where we've been the past 5 years.
The whole point in this thread is for some of you to have a little perspective so you can enjoy the ride and support this team and coach. Have more patience than 2 seasons. Give the man a chance to make his own roster. The additions so far should at least make you optimistic.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:15 pm to Mickey Goldmill
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so you can enjoy the ride and support this team and coach.
HA! You're in the wrong place for that.
Posted on 3/20/14 at 2:19 pm to Geauxgurt
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How? By beating up teams in a crappy Sun Belt conference? Look. He did well for himself at North Texas, but just as most of us felt at the time he was hired, his "success" there has more to do with the fact he coached in an extremely mediocre conference.
And what exactly do you think North Texas was when he got that job? Johnny won their first ever conference championship. They were beyond repair before he went there yet he made them a consistent 20-win team.
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