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re: Softball Update: LSU only SEC team that qualified and not in regional final!
Posted on 5/18/25 at 10:32 pm to Allthatfades
Posted on 5/18/25 at 10:32 pm to Allthatfades
Did Southeastern win the regional? I haven't kept up with the tourney since last night's humiliation.
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Posted on 5/18/25 at 10:42 pm to Gdellinger
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Didn't the #1 seed A&M just lose?
Is that supposed to give Torina a pass? Is that supposed to make LSU Softball fans feel better about the woeful performance by this team since the SEC Schedule began?
This post was edited on 5/18/25 at 10:43 pm
Posted on 5/18/25 at 11:02 pm to LSUJockStrap
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Is that supposed to give Torina a pass?
f no. i stated earlier TAMU is the only real current powerhouse program (other than LSU arguably) who has not made the WCWS for as long as LSU. All other current powerhouses have basically made it at least once since 2017.
per my recollection the TAMu coach has only been there 2 years. beth has been at LSU since 2012.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 1:02 am to Fat Bastard
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i stated earlier TAMU is the only real powerhouse program (other than LSU) who has not made the WCWS for as long as LSU. All other classic powerhouses have basically made it at least once since 2017.
Prior to Torina, LSU had 2 WCWS appearances. That’s not exactly what I’d call a classic powerhouse, but let’s use that as the bar.
Schools w/ at least 2 appearances, but none since 2017 (last appearance in parentheses):
Auburn (2016) - 2 total
Baylor (2017) - 4
Cal (2012) - 12
DePaul (2007) - 4
Fresno St (1999) - 12
Iowa (2001) - 4
ULL (2014) - 6
Michigan (2016) - 12
Missouri (2011) - 6
Nebraska (2013) - 7
Texas A&M (2017) - 8
Two more last went in 2018:
Arizona St (2018) - 12
Oregon (2018) - 6
Two more only recently ended long droughts:
Texas- 7 year drought (2014-2019,2021)
Tennessee- 6 year drought (2016-2019,2021-2022)
That’s 11 that have current droughts at least as long as LSU, 1 with a recent drought of the same length, and 3 with current or recent droughts only one year shorter. That’s 15 programs with similar recent/current droughts. Only 12 other programs have made multiple appearances in the interim, so over half of “classic powerhouses” have experienced something similar to LSU’s current dry spell.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 1:03 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:02 am to Flablete
Nah. #1 Texas A&M being beat by LU is embarrassing
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:08 am to BigNastyTiger417
Liberty would run rule SLU
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:10 am to MikeTheTiger71
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That’s not exactly what I’d call a classic powerhouse, but let’s use that as the bar.
maybe i shoulda said MODERN powerhouses. those teams you listed are not modern powerhouses. bad examples. youa re using many current shite programs as bad examples.
my point still stands. it is considering LSU as a modern powerhouse and failing since 2017. TAMU IS THE ONLY MODERN ONE that is failing like LSU.
Auburn (2016) - 2 total
Baylor (2017) - 4
Cal (2012) - 12
DePaul (2007) - 4
Fresno St (1999) - 12
Iowa (2001) - 4
ULL (2014) - 6
Michigan (2016) - 12
Missouri (2011) - 6
Nebraska (2013) - 7
none of those are considered modern powerhouses right now. maybe a few from the past. but not now. we are talking about NOW.
look up the modern powerhouses from 2017 to now. its pretty easy,
arizona state made an appearance in 2018! they have not sat out since 2017!
texas and tennessee are modern powerhouses. they have NOT sat out the WCWS sinxce 2017! you proved my points for me!
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 7:28 am
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:18 am to 18handicap
Just like LSU run ruled Florida? Not sure what happened but it was uninspired performance and Beth deserves the blame for that but the most criticism is allowing Leftwich to build a roster of slappers, left handed small kids who can’t play in Tiger Park. The other criticism is for Berzon who can’t hold a lead or hold a team down, she has been an epic failure this year for whatever reason. Hopefully, she can regain some form for next yr but she really isn’t a number 1 pitcher to me in the form of a Carly Hoover, Bahl, Pickens, Canady, walljasper,
Posted on 5/19/25 at 7:47 am to 18handicap
Maybe, maybe not. That’s why the game is played.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 10:28 am to Casualobserver1985
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the most criticism is allowing Leftwich to build a roster of slappers, left handed small kids who can’t play in Tiger Park.
Casual. in another thread, I basically said the same thing. I, unlike, many watch many softball games on TV and see lineups with bigger, stronger and just as speedy players than what LSU has. We have no power hitters, save for Tori and to a much lesser degree, Maci. We often have to string together 3 and 4 hits in an inning just to score a run or 2. You are right! the roster is constructed poorly and we have zero dominance in the circle. The closest we have is a young Heavener. Its portal time again this offseason. Please bring in some bigger stronger girls to help us change this runt ball offense we currently have.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 12:17 pm to Fat Bastard
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none of those are considered modern powerhouses right now. maybe a few from the past. but not now. we are talking about NOW.
Your definition of “modern” seems to be self-fulfilling, except when it comes to LSU. Auburn went to the WCWS in 2015-16. Michigan went in 2013, 2015, and 2016 and 8 times in 16 years, including an NC. Baylor went in 2011, 2014 and 2017. If those aren’t “modern”, then neither is LSU. Missouri went to 3 straight WCWS 2009-11 just before Torina came to LSU. Cal went in 2011-12 and 9 times in 14 years. DePaul went 4 times in 9 years from 1999-2007. Even ULL went 3 times between 2003-2014. If those aren’t “modern” powerhouses, then LSU is only one because Torina made them one.
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arizona state made an appearance in 2018! they have not sat out since 2017!
So, if LSU’s last appearance had been 2018 instead of 2017 you wouldn’t be calling for Torina’s head? You weren’t saying she should be fired last year?
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texas and tennessee are modern powerhouses. they have NOT sat out the WCWS sinxce 2017!
No, they just had droughts of similar lengths and they were able to bounce back. Tennessee did it without making a coaching change.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 11:08 pm to Casualobserver1985
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This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 7:16 am to MikeTheTiger71
you are going way back past 2017? why? you are once again proving my points for me! as far as 1999? that is not a CURRENT MODERN POWERHOUSE.
some of those may be OLDER CLASSIC POWERHOUSES but many are not anymore.
we are talking CURRENT AKA MODERN. you re listing shite that is NOT CURRENT!
holy shite man.
UT and tennessee have been since 2017. WE ARE TALKING CURRENT aka MODERN. you are talking about a drought that does not apply. we are talking from 2017 to now.
you keep defending shite from baylor and michigan pre 2017 are you defending that from LSU? I am not! so we are not a current TOP 8 powerhouse? fair enough. fire beth then so we can become one.
baylor and michigan are not even RANKED! LOL powerhouse my arse
depaul??
again you are making my points for me. 1999? DEPAUL IS A NOBODY in softball now.
let me guess you were a MILES pumper also who clinged to that one natty in 2007 all the way to 2016 begging for miles to not be fired just based on that huh??
some of those may be OLDER CLASSIC POWERHOUSES but many are not anymore.
we are talking CURRENT AKA MODERN. you re listing shite that is NOT CURRENT!
holy shite man.
UT and tennessee have been since 2017. WE ARE TALKING CURRENT aka MODERN. you are talking about a drought that does not apply. we are talking from 2017 to now.
you keep defending shite from baylor and michigan pre 2017 are you defending that from LSU? I am not! so we are not a current TOP 8 powerhouse? fair enough. fire beth then so we can become one.
baylor and michigan are not even RANKED! LOL powerhouse my arse
depaul??
again you are making my points for me. 1999? DEPAUL IS A NOBODY in softball now. let me guess you were a MILES pumper also who clinged to that one natty in 2007 all the way to 2016 begging for miles to not be fired just based on that huh??
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 7:24 am
Posted on 5/20/25 at 8:49 am to Flablete
What an interesting way to cherry-pick the framing ????
Posted on 5/20/25 at 8:59 am to Allthatfades
Or Libery
Posted on 5/20/25 at 9:09 am to Fat Bastard
quote:
you are going way back past 2017?
Because if you don’t, then your statement that no other modern powerhouse has been shut out of the WCWS since 2017 is meaningless. That means LSU isn’t a modern powerhouse by your arbitrary definition since they haven’t been since 2017. It means your argument is self-fulfilling since you automatically exclude any team who hasn’t been in that time. All you are then saying is that no program that has been to the WCWS since 2017 has failed to make the WCWS since 2017. No kidding.
Posted on 5/20/25 at 10:35 am to Casualobserver1985
What does Florida have to do with Liberty or SLU?
Posted on 5/20/25 at 10:48 am to MikeTheTiger71
look we are splitting hairs now.
the bottom line is we SHOULD BE BETTER after her 14th year.
END OF STORY.
problem is LSU does not give a frick about softball clearly.
fans do. they don't.
the new TAMU coach is only in her 2nd year. now does that make it acceptable they got shellacked by liberty in a home regional? absolutely not but it was not that coach's 14th year.
should they still get blasted for no WCWS since 2017 like us? ABSOLUTELY!
but jo evans is gone. we would not be this disgruntled either with beth if it was her 2ns year. it's not hard to figure out and put in context.
You bash LSU saying OH we only made 2 WCWS before BETH!
that is factually TRUE!
now tell me how many SEC titles and tourneys titles BETH has won? Then tell me how many we won before?
torina has not won shite! not a sec regular season or tourney!
look at all the ones coach girard won before her.
that is a real bad look for beth.
School Year Regular-Season Champion Tournament Champion
2024-25 Oklahoma Oklahoma
Texas A&M
2023-24 Tennessee Florida
2022-23 Tennessee Tennessee
2021-22 Arkansas Arkansas
2020-21 Arkansas/Florida Alabama
2019-20* No Champion No Championship
2018-19 Alabama Florida
2017-18 Florida Florida
2016-17 Florida Ole Miss
2015-16 Florida Auburn
2014-15 Florida Auburn
2013-14 Alabama Georgia
2012-13 Florida Florida
2011-12 Alabama Alabama
2010-11 Alabama Tennessee
2009-10 Alabama Alabama
2008-09 Florida Florida
2007-08 Florida Florida
2006-07 Tennessee LSU
2005-06 Alabama Tennessee
2004-05 Georgia Alabama
2003-04 LSU LSU
2002-03 Georgia Alabama
2001-02 LSU LSU
2000-01 LSU LSU
1999-2000 LSU South Carolina
1998-99 LSU LSU
1997-98 Florida Alabama
1996-97 South Carolina South Carolina
the bottom line is we SHOULD BE BETTER after her 14th year.
END OF STORY.
problem is LSU does not give a frick about softball clearly.
fans do. they don't.
the new TAMU coach is only in her 2nd year. now does that make it acceptable they got shellacked by liberty in a home regional? absolutely not but it was not that coach's 14th year.
should they still get blasted for no WCWS since 2017 like us? ABSOLUTELY!
but jo evans is gone. we would not be this disgruntled either with beth if it was her 2ns year. it's not hard to figure out and put in context.
You bash LSU saying OH we only made 2 WCWS before BETH!
that is factually TRUE!
now tell me how many SEC titles and tourneys titles BETH has won? Then tell me how many we won before?
torina has not won shite! not a sec regular season or tourney!
look at all the ones coach girard won before her.
that is a real bad look for beth.
School Year Regular-Season Champion Tournament Champion
2024-25 Oklahoma Oklahoma
Texas A&M
2023-24 Tennessee Florida
2022-23 Tennessee Tennessee
2021-22 Arkansas Arkansas
2020-21 Arkansas/Florida Alabama
2019-20* No Champion No Championship
2018-19 Alabama Florida
2017-18 Florida Florida
2016-17 Florida Ole Miss
2015-16 Florida Auburn
2014-15 Florida Auburn
2013-14 Alabama Georgia
2012-13 Florida Florida
2011-12 Alabama Alabama
2010-11 Alabama Tennessee
2009-10 Alabama Alabama
2008-09 Florida Florida
2007-08 Florida Florida
2006-07 Tennessee LSU
2005-06 Alabama Tennessee
2004-05 Georgia Alabama
2003-04 LSU LSU
2002-03 Georgia Alabama
2001-02 LSU LSU
2000-01 LSU LSU
1999-2000 LSU South Carolina
1998-99 LSU LSU
1997-98 Florida Alabama
1996-97 South Carolina South Carolina
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 10:55 am
Posted on 5/20/25 at 12:58 pm to Fat Bastard
I used to work A&M softball camp for many years until I retired from public schools in College Station ISD. Coach Evans was well respected, but people thought the program was getting stale and pretty much her contract expire. But I never heard the vitriol expressed by Aggies toward her like I'm reading here and social media towards our coach. Remember A&M also has 3 national championships back in the 80s and they are desperate to get back to WCWS so I would think they would be more upset than our fans.
Me... I don't make my opinions about coaching here since I coached HS & travel softball for 35 years. I support our coaches and players & hope our administrators do the right thing in running athletic department.
Me... I don't make my opinions about coaching here since I coached HS & travel softball for 35 years. I support our coaches and players & hope our administrators do the right thing in running athletic department.
This post was edited on 5/20/25 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 5/20/25 at 1:12 pm to 18handicap
Ppl want to pick out losses, Florida’s talent is far superior to LSU talent, not even on the same planet!! In fact, I would say SE and LSU are closer in talent than LSU and Florida so what was the worse loss?
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