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Posted on 11/17/11 at 9:59 am to just me
I reject the premise that people don't want Jefferson to play because he does not produce enough positive plays.
I would instead posit that people are averse to Jefferson because of the negative plays that go along with him. Everyone seems to agree that we need a caretaker QB this year who does not put LSU in bad positions. The question under this criteria is who makes less mistakes. I think some believe that in their current iterations that QB is Lee. He arguably isn't as explosive and is not as big of a liability. Case in point: look at the safety play against WKU. People hate the play call, fine. Jefferson needs to be more aware on that play too. It isn't all the playcall though. Watch Jefferson's last play against Arkansas last year. It appears a lot like what happened last Saturday. It is a problem that comes with starting Jefferson. You can't take a safety in a game that will be hotly contested. You can't lose a bunch of yards on a sack in a close game (see Ole Miss 2009). These, I think are the pertinent concerns. LSU needs to minimize mistakes and not necessarily be as explosive as possible.
All rational thoughts are welcome.
I would instead posit that people are averse to Jefferson because of the negative plays that go along with him. Everyone seems to agree that we need a caretaker QB this year who does not put LSU in bad positions. The question under this criteria is who makes less mistakes. I think some believe that in their current iterations that QB is Lee. He arguably isn't as explosive and is not as big of a liability. Case in point: look at the safety play against WKU. People hate the play call, fine. Jefferson needs to be more aware on that play too. It isn't all the playcall though. Watch Jefferson's last play against Arkansas last year. It appears a lot like what happened last Saturday. It is a problem that comes with starting Jefferson. You can't take a safety in a game that will be hotly contested. You can't lose a bunch of yards on a sack in a close game (see Ole Miss 2009). These, I think are the pertinent concerns. LSU needs to minimize mistakes and not necessarily be as explosive as possible.
All rational thoughts are welcome.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 9:59 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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call out statistical cherry pickers, yet he does it every time when discussing JJ, i.e "starting with the Bama game in 2010"
I dont understand how thats cherry picking stats. Its noticing a trend. Cherry picking is finding one game here another somewhere else. "starting with the bama game" is picking up on the fact that something changed and JJ has been much better and much more efficient
Posted on 11/17/11 at 9:59 am to just me
But if Lee had made the same bone-head mistakes JJ did in the WKU game he would have been pulled after the 1st one. JJ gets more chances to screw up becayse Les "likes" him. JL should still be the starter because you can go from Lee to JJ and maybe get a pickup. If you start JJ, going to JL brings the possibility of a drop-off from the rest of the team.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:00 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:You choose to see what you want to see. I've been on the Miles bandwagon for a loooooong time. I'm cool with whomever he plays.
Riiiiight
Miles is a genius. He is a guru.
He is a Zen master.
Miles is the 50th incarnation of Sun Tzu.
ETA: Any gift ideas for my nephew? He plays QB for a major college football team, and he's about to end his college playing career?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:00 am to TIGRLEE
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Please answer the following questions.
Prior to the alabama game, what about LSU's offense dont you like and why would you want to change?
TIA.
I'll answer TIGRLEE.
I'll admit, I liked the offense. It was working to get us the points we needed to win. However I always like the versatility that JJ brought in being able to take off and run and pick up critical 1st downs when needed. The Alabama game showed that a strictly prostyle offense wasnt going to cut it if A) we played a strong defense and B) We dont force teams into as many mistakes like we did in the Oregon game which allowed us to play on a short field.
Just as Ford is a good change of Pace to Ware, JJ is a good change of pace to JL. Or Vice Versa. Any now D coordinators have more to worry about.
Either way this is Les Miles team. We see this team on Saturday; he sees them every waking day. I'm comfortable with whoever is behind the center...because Les is comfortable with whoever is behind the center.
After the BCS title game the headline wont read "JJ wins NC or JL wins NC" it will say "Tigers win NC" and I'm good with that!
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:01 am to Boh
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love how Lee's accomplishments are sometimes discounted as part of the team while JJ apparently does things by himself.
This is very true. For some reason Lee is just a product of a great D and great athletes around him. i do not understand why the man can get no respect. He gets no respect on this board or buy our coaches. the O was very anemic last year. If we stick with JJ as the start I think we will see that happen again. Just pray that the Arky game isnt a shoot out.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:01 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Is his poor performance against a team in October of 2010 going to cost us a game in November of 2011 somehow?
Are his good performances against teams in November of 2010 going to win us a game in November of 2011 somehow?
We simply need to look at current statistics/ performance. Both are much improved. And as the OP has stated, this has to do with Crowton's departure more than anything.
Both can win games, both can lose games. Which is why both will play. I'm not sure one deserves significantly more PT than the other, although I lean towards the offensive gameplan utilized against AU/UF, etc.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:01 am to GeauxTigerTM
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Is his poor performance against a team in October of 2010 going to cost us a game in November of 2011 somehow?
does his good performance against a team in november of 2010 somehow help us in november of 2011? goes both way. fact remains, his sample size from this season is really really small, so i'm not ready to be completely on board with him being the starter when i haven't seen more than a solid performance against WKU. we have another QB i've watched do well all year except for one game. just seems really late in the year to be making such a major change, when the previous has been working
This post was edited on 11/17/11 at 10:02 am
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:02 am to Boh
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Why do you include some 2010 JJ stats and not others?
For the same reason it's pointless to point at Lee's poor performances in 2008 and 2009 as reasons for why he sucks in 2011. What he did prior to now is irrelevant...unless you can tell me how a poor performances by him last season will effect the outcome of a game today.
What just me has pointed out is that rather than getting worse, he has actually gotten better over that stretch...which is what we WANT our players to do. But rather than notice that, it's far more convenient to pretend it hasn't happened and harken to previous bad play.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:03 am to mylsuhat
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I find the offense looks more fluid with JL at the helm. Just my opinion.
The whole team looked like shite Saturday. Which was to be expected coming off the game of the century. Without JJ, we lose to Bama. If Les wants to start JJ and play Lee situationally, as a fan not sure how you can argue against one of the best head coaches in the nation.
Not to mention Lee was allegedly skipping class and this was also JJ's FIRST game against a gimme opponent. Coach probably thought he needed the practice.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:03 am to therick711
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Everyone seems to agree that we need a caretaker QB this year who does not put LSU in bad positions.
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You can't take a safety in a game that will be hotly contested. You can't lose a bunch of yards on a sack in a close game (see Ole Miss 2009). These, I think are the pertinent concerns. LSU needs to minimize mistakes and not necessarily be as explosive as possible.
All rational thoughts are welcome.
And you cant throw back to back INTs on the road against one of th best Ds in the land. That's not taking care of the ball.
What LSU NEEDS is both QBs....I think thy compliment each other
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:03 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
Anyone's blind to not see our offense is very efficient and runs smoothly with JL as our starter. JJ does do things that Lee can't and is pretty good at doing them but Lee passes 2x as good as Jefferson does. We scored less in the first half of any of our shite games all year last week and probably would have only scored 35 to 38 points had Lee not come in at the end. We can't play Jefferson all year and win every game 9-6. We need Lee as the starter to get our offense rolling and have JJ come in to use his legs and a few play action passes.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:05 am to just me
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Some posters complain that Jordan Jefferson should not carry the ball because we have RBs who can carry the ball.
There are only two RBs on the team who have more yards per carry that Jefferson: Ford and Blue.
Meh. You always come up with these stupid poorly thought out arguments.
I'm not a JJ hater but comparing a QBs rushing stats to RBs is stupid. If you're taking off on a pass play in man coverage you can get pretty large gains.
If you had a stat that showed what he makes on designed runs then you might have something.
Also what happens if the 6 yard rush takes away a 14 yard completion? Doesn't look so fricking great then does it?
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:06 am to Royal Tiger Fan
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And you cant throw back to back INTs on the road against one of th best Ds in the land. That's not taking care of the ball.
Completely agree. I think you missed the point, though. The OP is showing who the most explosive player is. I was showing why I reject that as the pertinent analysis. Whether we need both QBs is not my point. Whether they compliment each other is not the point. We just need a combination that takes care of the ball, plain and simple.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:06 am to mylsuhat
I think Lee should start but we would definitely be 10-0 without him. Has he thrown for 250 yet. Hell everyone points to Oregon game and he threw for 98 yards
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:07 am to lsutiger2011
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Lee passes 2x as good as Jefferson does
Please show me some stats that prove this. I agree that JL is a better passer but it isn't by much. Also JJ is better at some throws than JL. I don't get how either side can say one is so much better than the other.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:07 am to LSUzealot
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Without JJ, we lose to Bama.
There it is
It wasn't a team effort first. It wasn't Saban fricking up by trying to kick some bombs for FG, and it wasn't our defense smothering when it counted.
It was JJ, all alone. And experts such as yourself know for a fact that Lee couldn't have thrown the deep ball to Shep. And before you say "they were respecting the option"... even CBS showed the secondary blow coverage and 3 guys bolt to Peterson.
Lee had a shitty game. But for some reason it's just accepted as fact that Lee couldn't have gotten us a field goal like JJ did.
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:07 am to lsutiger2011
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We scored less in the first half of any of our shite games all year last week and probably would have only scored 35 to 38 points had Lee not come in at the end.
And yet against UK (a team that only beat WKU 14-7) we only scored 14 at the half and 35 in the game. Look if you want to say you want to start Lee thats fine with me. Just dont try and blindly say crap like that when it can apply to the guy you are defending
Posted on 11/17/11 at 10:08 am to MandevilleLSUTiger
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Are his good performances against teams in November of 2010 going to win us a game in November of 2011 somehow?
Nope...not at all, but that wasn't the point just me has been attempting to make to deaf ears. It's that despite the assumption that JJ has been all bad all the time, he has, in fact, gotten better and it's been a trend since the BAMA game last year. So to complain about past performances, you have to go past and ignore the trend he's had.
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We simply need to look at current statistics/ performance. Both are much improved. And as the OP has stated, this has to do with Crowton's departure more than anything.
Couldn't agree more.
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Both can win games, both can lose games. Which is why both will play. I'm not sure one deserves significantly more PT than the other, although I lean towards the offensive gameplan utilized against AU/UF, etc.
We'll need both, and I'm good with whatever Miles does.
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