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re: So who are the two members of the LSU athletic department that are going to resign?

Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:55 am to
Posted by scott8811
Ratchet City, LA
Member since Oct 2014
12401 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:55 am to
is there some kind of way we can pin this on Pelini??? Do work Woodward!
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
32275 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:58 am to
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I agree Verge is a great dude...but if he deleted that text AND did not report it, then that’s really tough to not fire him.

Now if he reported it and simply deleted the text before protocol allows it to be, then he may get off with a slap on the wrist. I hope that’s what happened for multiple reasons

Boy the headaches Lester and his son have caused this AD...and both sucked


I agree. It's a shame but this is the kinda thing, in todays world with all the baylor/vandy/metoo type stuff, you HAVE to report it.

Although, I am interested to hear from our Title IX department as to their explanation or protocol here.

I know that coaches don't handle this stuff. They turn it over to the proper authorities and go from there. If anyone thinks O and maybe even Mickey Joseph are responsible, they're off base. Mickey knew what was happening but to what depth? Also what is the other side of this story? What role did the woman play here? We can't simply take the article for face value.

There are three sides to every story. His side, her side, and the truth. We can't put all of those together yet. What we know is Drake abused her and must pay for his crimes. However, one has to wonder if the woman repeatedly put herself in front of davis. It seems like that might be a missing piece. If she continually seeks him out and puts herself present in his presence, i have an issue with that as well
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:00 am
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35296 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:59 am to
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Also no clue who that guy is. Good chance he's making this up.



I checked out this dude's website. It REEKS of a "newbie sports journalist" dying for some attention to get viewers to his site.

The thing is, based on the facts of the case that are public, ANYONE can easily "predict" that 2 staffers will resign/be fired over this deal.

He doesn't say which 2 staffers. He doesn't say when, but "in the coming days".

So yeah, he said it, and yeah it probably will happen, but it doesn't mean that he has inside sources that have given him specific info.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17457 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:59 am to
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This was published in the USA Today story. You be the judge.
And here in lies the biggest issue:

A) Davis tells Verge he hit a female, he admits it on 4/14
B)
C) Late Aug, 26th I think, Davis is kicked off team.

What happened to (B) you might ask? Well, firstly, doesn't really matter what (B) is. Just over 2 months from admitting he hit a female, fellow LSU athelete at that, and isn't immediately removed (suspension, indefinite) from team and from classes. I could stop there.

The (B) only makes it worse... there should have been a Title IX report AND admin contact with the tennis player to tell her that if she has a complaint to take it to the police and LSU athletics encourages it. If that didn't happen soon after (A), it just makes it worse and is only a cover up and delaying action to (C).

Put Simply: The admission by Davis on 4/14 isn't acted upon because he wasn't removed from the team (or school) until he was arrested for another incident on 8/17 and then, and only then, removed on 8/26.

No matter who hid what, the 4/14 incident and text is an admission to LSU Admin, at least, that was not acted upon properly. That admission, in the text, should have resulted in immediate suspension. The Title IX investigation after that would determine if needed to go further (expulsion) or backwards. But he stated he hit a woman and no action was taken immediately on that admission. There's no way out of that box.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:06 am
Posted by DBG
vermont
Member since May 2004
75686 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:01 am to
To be clear, the evidence against Mickey Joseph is much less damning than that of Ausberry.

Mickey simply reached out to Davis’ roommate I believe checking on the girl, or along those lines. And he sat in on a meeting with student judicial affairs with Davis, which is permitted.

I suspect if Mickey said anything inappropriate in that meeting that it would be on record so that should be pretty easy to check.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160444 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:02 am to


I hate to laugh but...."and I hit her in the stomach (which is not good)" Thanks Drake, its good you know socking her right in the baby maker was not good

I don't see where and perhaps I missed it, that Verge did not report this to anyone as an undisputed fact.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:03 am
Posted by Geauxld Finger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2005
32275 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:06 am to
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What happened to (B) you might ask? Well, firstly, doesn't really matter what (B) is. Just over 2 months from admitting he hit a female, fellow LSU athelete at that, and isn't immediately removed (suspension, indefinite) from team and from classes. I could stop there.


The lack of why did this take so long could be a myriad of factors.

it could be that the woman did not file a complaint (which i believe she did not out of fear)

it could be that there is possibly more to the story.

people could be subject to appeals and due process

Lost in all of this article is that the issues with Davis and Guice are the shiny hook meant to focus the reader on the bigger presence at hand, which is LSU's lack of addressing sexual assault campus wide. The athletic involvement is meant to merely focus the attention

The last segment about the engineering student is more damning imo. This woman and two others have logged complaints against this guy and yet she's forced to take classes with him? a deferred suspension? GTFO of here. His arse should be removed from the university
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
35296 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:12 am to
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don't see where and perhaps I missed it, that Verge did not report this to anyone as an undisputed fact.



I mean, technically I guess you have a point, but I don't see any chance that he told anyone about this.

If he DID report it, and nothing was done about it, he is still culpable for not pursuing it further.

The fact that Davis had Verge's phone number, and had him listed as "Verge" in his contacts, seems to indicate a personal relationship between the 2. I just don't get the feeling Verge reported this.
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17457 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:15 am to
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Lost in all of this article is that the issues with Davis and Guice are the shiny hook meant to focus the reader on the bigger presence at hand, which is LSU's lack of addressing sexual assault campus wide. The athletic involvement is meant to merely focus the attention
This is true as far as "shiny hook".

The question, the real question, is there an institutional problem.


If Verge has an admission from an athelete, on the team, that he hit a woman and immediate action is not taken there is A problem. What specifically that problem is, don't know. It may be a Verge problem, or it may be an LSU problem.

But the fact remains DD admitted to hitting a woman, in writing and no immediate action was taken.

When you start down that rabbit hole you have to go to the bottom. And the bottom is (the assumption is) that if it happened once it happened alot and it is institutional.

The writer of that article sucks. She's stating who should be fired and who should not instead of just presenting both the fact and narratives. But that doesn't dissipate the facts.

ETA: lostinbr's post above has to be kept in mind. Verge just might have reported it AND there are logical/permitted reasons why the text isn't available.

But that only shifts the problem from Verge to someone else WITHIN LSU that we have, in writing, Davis admitting to hitting a fellow female student in April and it took an arrest in Aug to get him suspended/removed from the team.

Without that admission it is a process and would be why there would be delays... namely an investigation. But with the admission should come immediate action.

A store owner accuses you of breaking into his shop and stealing something the cops will likely show up and talk to you and arrest you later.

You send a text to sheriff's dispatch telling them you broke into a store before the owner even reports it once they verify you sent that text and the store was indeed broken into they are coming quite soon, like now. They love to arrest stupid people.
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 10:37 am
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
11857 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:19 am to
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I just don't get the feeling Verge reported this.

That’s a far cry from this statement:
quote:

Verge deleted a text, which is against policy.
Verge didn't report a situation of abuse, which he clearly knew about.

Those 2 facts are 100% true and undisputed. The evidence is clear on this.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
79327 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:23 am to
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erge is also the highest ranking African American at LSU. Getting rid of him after the July bruhaha would be a very bad idea.



You have a player texting you that he punched his gf in the stomach and did nothing. Then lied about it.

Being black doesnt protect you from that.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
160444 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 10:30 am to
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I just don't get the feeling Verge reported this.


then may want to steer clear of making definitive statements on that just yet. I agree, doesn't look great...but far from a "100% undisputable fact"
Posted by Double Down
Mayor of St. George
Member since Dec 2007
7499 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 11:21 am to
Would someone please elaborate on the deleted Drake Davis stuff. Tia
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
17457 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 1:40 pm to
And I know some idiot will say I'm a supporter of people who beat women, racist, hitler, and Legion all rolled into one by saying this, but no shits are given...

Anybody find the transcribe of that text suspicious?

Punctuation. Proper possessive use... "She's trying to go....". No shorthand. No curse words (redactions are "tennis"). I mean it's not perfect grammatically, but a text conversation between a football player and Admin about sexual assault that well written?

At the same time the facts and timing are perfect for the story as written. There's ONLY two reasons for that:
1. The story was written based on the facts, so logically it fits.
2. The text was written to fit the story.

After all, it is perfect for the allegations. A football player admitting he struck a woman to a senior Admin official with date/time written with good grammar and fair syntax. Even an admission of degree with the "that was bad". Rather perfect, no?
This post was edited on 11/18/20 at 1:44 pm
Posted by LSU7096
Member since May 2004
2682 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 2:31 pm to
Biden's fingers did no wrong!!! According to MSM and Democrats
Posted by TigerFan55555
Tomball, TX
Member since Nov 2008
9786 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 3:49 pm to
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LSU is making a mistake not coming out swinging with Verge leading the way. It would be smart to take advantage of the current political climate and accuse the USA Today writers of racism. That would stop them dead in their tracks. Turn this into a which hint against him and Mickey.


actually agree with this... play their game against them... its what they do to us... only fair...
Posted by 62zip
One Particular Harbor
Member since Aug 2005
6681 posts
Posted on 11/18/20 at 9:01 pm to
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Verge's FIL is on the BOS, the Governor personally picked him and will override all the National bullshite. Verge isn't going any where.


Dutch Morial rose from the dead?

Quick call WWL and the Times-Picayune.

Who do you think Verge's FIL is?
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