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re: So O asks fans to be “patient with offense. 35% installed”
Posted on 4/20/18 at 1:59 pm to boxcar willie
Posted on 4/20/18 at 1:59 pm to boxcar willie
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we didn't just pick randomly. After Herman and Fisher (thank god) fell through and Fleck was considered not ready(I disagree) and consideration given to Fedora and some others, they chose Orgeron. He had a good trail period as interim coach at LSU (and USC) and they liked what they saw and knew a good bit about him. So they hired him. I liked the hire and can see why they went that way.
I do like that you leave out Ole Miss, but bring the rest of his history in, that's cool.
Also, so what you are saying is that there is enough criteria to determine a hire, and guess on what the expectations and results should be. Right?
So:
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want to see what he can do.
Just plain wanting to see what he can do, for no other reason than wanting is, is crazy talk. You have standards that hiring O had to meet, and other people have standards too. O doesn't meet those standards, especially given the pitch and sale, that is a fact.
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He went 9-4 after a stumbling start last season, his first season,
Let me guess the "stumbling start" isn't his fault and is totally ok? And it also doesn't actually point to some of his past does it?
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his first season,
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and finished with some momentum (other than the bowl game).
So other than the last game of the season, he had momentum? So leaving out the last product on the field it was still good?
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Made some good moves in the off season (firing Canada
After making the mistake of hiring Canada
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hiring Ensminger
This is not a good move, that is a fact. The optics are awful at best.
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retaining Aranda
Having to pay an assistant coach well beyond the average is not necessarily . good thing. Nor was it possibly the "right play." It was the only play because losing Aranda would have been a disaster. There's a case to be made for that.
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Beefed up the trenches).
But leaving out the 15th ranked class, which is our worst in years?
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Now I just want to see how his 2nd season at the helm plays out before getting all negative towards the program.
Even though there's at least SOME contrary evidence, and the fact that he's promoted multiple people that have all been a part of the program when, apparently, you might not have been happy about those results.....And you can have that approach, but you can't bemoan those who don't think like you. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary and there's a history of O being subpar, that it's enough to be cautious and question it.
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 2:18 pm
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Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:00 pm to earl keese
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And now here you guys are, complaining that o is being mistreated during the off season and folks should wait until the season starts before we start judging him.
But even at the peak of anti milesism you could still make threads and talk about other things on here with out them instantly becoming anti Miles threads. This place has gotton out of hand with the negativity. Plus anti milesism didn't fully take hold until he had been here many many years. And even then it was no where to this level.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:13 pm to boxcar willie
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Plus anti milesism didn't fully take hold until he had been here many many years. And even then it was no where to this level.
You mean people weren’t calling for miles to be fired after he won the West in 2005, won the sugar bowl in 2006 , or won the natty in 2007?
I’m shocked. Shocked.
The only evidence of O being a good coach is the auburn win.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:14 pm to Dave England
Damnit Dave, you're always bringing your logic into these discussions.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:15 pm to boxcar willie
In 2015 miles was torched for losing to bama 30-16
In 2008 miles was raked over the coals for ALMOST losing to Troy.
In 2017, o was praised for “keeping it close” vs bama, and given a pass for ACTUALLY losing to Troy.
In 2008 miles was raked over the coals for ALMOST losing to Troy.
In 2017, o was praised for “keeping it close” vs bama, and given a pass for ACTUALLY losing to Troy.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:18 pm to boxcar willie
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But even at the peak of anti milesism you could still make threads and talk about other things on here with out them instantly becoming anti Miles threads. This place has gotton out of hand with the negativity. Plus anti milesism didn't fully take hold until he had been here many many years. And even then it was no where to this level.
Miles built up some good will before he ever had a “bad season” and even then he was shredded by a large portion of the fan base (Including a 9-4 2009) O has no good will, doesn’t have anything in his record to instill confidence and had a bad season last year.
You couldn’t really say anything without the same “doesn’t matter so long as Miles handcuffs the offense” responses popping up.
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:19 pm to Dave England
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In 2015 miles was torched for losing to bama 30-16
In 2008 miles was raked over the coals for ALMOST losing to Troy.
In 2017, o was praised for “keeping it close” vs bama, and given a pass for ACTUALLY losing to Troy.
Because what many people are doing is:
1) Being selective with the information they judge O on - See above
2) Having their own standards, which aren't very high, then asking others to just "Go along with" those standards and wait and see. And telling people they can't have standards.
3) Not thinking they are basically hoping and praying, which is fine btw, and trying to justify their lack of standards, rationality, and evidence, by using deception, judgemental responses, and inaccurate/selective data
4) But, really, just hoping and praying that O works out
O has already given them a slogan, "Hope and Pray," I think we'd all understand the Cheerios if they just said "I'm hoping and praying." But trying to justify everything and make it look good, creates the above scenario, which is mounds and mounds of hypocrisy.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:20 pm to Freauxzen
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it's crazy to with hold opinion until you see what they can do?(he said with sarcasm). Even if we hired Fisher (or whoever it is you think we should have gotton) you would still have to see how it works out at LSU. NO coaching hire is a guaranteed success at his new job. If we had hired someone else, and they went 9-4 their first season here, I would still be waiting to see what they did in season 2 before going all negative on them. I would not grade any coach on a curve just because they had success somewhere else. If we had hired Bill Belicheck and he went 4-8 his first season and 3-9 his second I would just say he is a bad fit for the college game or at least for LSU unless he showed some serious other signs as to why he sucked so much so far at LSU to give reason for optimism. So far, for me, Orgeron gives me reason for optimism for many various reasons that I've stated in numerous other threads. bon temps viva y viva geuax Coach O and viva el Tigres. You know the old saying: as coach O goes so goes the tigers y visa visera!
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Just plain wanting to see what he can do, for no other reason than wanting is, is crazy talk
it's crazy to with hold opinion until you see what they can do?(he said with sarcasm). Even if we hired Fisher (or whoever it is you think we should have gotton) you would still have to see how it works out at LSU. NO coaching hire is a guaranteed success at his new job. If we had hired someone else, and they went 9-4 their first season here, I would still be waiting to see what they did in season 2 before going all negative on them. I would not grade any coach on a curve just because they had success somewhere else. If we had hired Bill Belicheck and he went 4-8 his first season and 3-9 his second I would just say he is a bad fit for the college game or at least for LSU unless he showed some serious other signs as to why he sucked so much so far at LSU to give reason for optimism. So far, for me, Orgeron gives me reason for optimism for many various reasons that I've stated in numerous other threads. bon temps viva y viva geuax Coach O and viva el Tigres. You know the old saying: as coach O goes so goes the tigers y visa visera!
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:23 pm to boxcar willie
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it's crazy to with hold opinion until you see what they can do?(he said with sarcasm). Even if we hired Fisher (or whoever it is you think we should have gotton) you would still have to see how it works out at LSU. NO coaching hire is a guaranteed success at his new job. If we had hired someone else, and they went 9-4 their first season here, I would still be waiting to see what they did in season 2 before going all negative on them. I would not grade any coach on a curve just because they had success somewhere else. If we had hired Bill Belicheck and he went 4-8 his first season and 3-9 his second I would just say he is a bad fit for the college game or at least for LSU unless he showed some serious other signs as to why he sucked so much so far at LSU to give reason for optimism. So far, for me, Orgeron gives me reason for optimism for many various reasons that I've stated in numerous other threads. bon temps viva y viva geuax Coach O and viva el Tigres. You know the old saying: as coach O goes so goes the tigers y visa visera!
You do realize you're comparing O to a National Championship winning coach and a multi-Super Bowl winning coach? Do you not understand how bad of a comparison this is to try and make your point?
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:24 pm to Dave England
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I'm shocked. Shocked.
It's amazing the way one person sees this coaching situation one way and another sees it completely different. And how some of the people that trash talked Miles 24/7, 365 days a year, now think that it's out of line to bring up o's failures or bad moves during the off-season.
It amazes the shite out of me. But that's what makes the world go around I suppose.
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The only evidence of O being a good coach is the auburn win.
That win and perhaps the bowl game against Louisville. But that's just my opinion. But then again, it may have just been pure luck to win those two games.
This post was edited on 4/21/18 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:26 pm to Dave England
[img]You mean people weren’t calling for miles to be fired after he won the West in 2005, [/img]
not to this level. But there were some calling for his head even after his first game against Tennessee or whatever game it was early in his first year.
not to this level. But there were some calling for his head even after his first game against Tennessee or whatever game it was early in his first year.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:27 pm to boxcar willie
Oh Willie, you missed the sarcasm in the post about 2005.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:29 pm to earl keese
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It amazes the shite out of me. But that's what makes the world go around I suppose.
That stuff absolutely fascinates me and frustrates the hell out of me at the same time. Sometimes I feel like I just want to scream "why can't you just see things the way I do?!?!?!"
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:35 pm to Dave England
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The only evidence of O being a good coach is the auburn win.
the other evidence was how much more well disciplined and better execution almost immediately once he took over in his interim year and how the offense suddenly was hard to predict. His recognition of the failures of giving enough emphasis to the big guys in the trenches and doing something about it. Obviously his recognition of the problems of the Miles/Cam offense and changing it. His ability to rally the team after most had written them off after the Troy loss. His ability to keep the team focused and ready to play both years after the Bama losses (something Miles and many other coaches struggle with after giving heart and soul in losses to big physically superior rivals). Auburn (edit; had forgot Louisville as well) is the only evidence you see because it is all you choose to see.
This post was edited on 4/20/18 at 2:38 pm
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:39 pm to Freauxzen
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You do realize you're comparing O to a National Championship winning coach and a multi-Super Bowl winning coach? Do you not understand how bad of a comparison this is to try and make your point?
I use them to make the point even more obvious. You can't be subtle on this board. No one will get it.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:42 pm to boxcar willie
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I use them to make the point even more obvious. You can't be subtle on this board. No one will get it.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:44 pm to boxcar willie
one last thing before I go.
I'm going to keep an open mind on Coach and these 2018 LSU Tigers. Ya'll can go ahead and puss out and throw in the towel if ya'll like. Fine with me but I wasn't raised like that. I was raised to bleed purple and gold and am going to die that way.
I'm going to keep an open mind on Coach and these 2018 LSU Tigers. Ya'll can go ahead and puss out and throw in the towel if ya'll like. Fine with me but I wasn't raised like that. I was raised to bleed purple and gold and am going to die that way.
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:52 pm to boxcar willie
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Ya'll can go ahead and puss out and throw in the towel if ya'll like. Fine with me but I wasn't raised like that. I was raised to bleed purple and gold and am going to die that way.
I would love to hear your explanation of how projecting a coach's job performance strictly based on his history, resume and recent administrative decisions is "pussing out". Also, how do you figure that anyone in the conversation is NOT bleeding purple and gold?
Posted on 4/20/18 at 2:54 pm to boxcar willie
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I'm going to keep an open mind on Coach and these 2018 LSU Tigers. Ya'll can go ahead and puss out and throw in the towel if ya'll like. Fine with me but I wasn't raised like that. I was raised to bleed purple and gold and am going to die that way.
There's no towel to throw in, there's an expectation of what the outcome will be.
Just admit that you are 1) Hoping and Praying 2) Being Selective 3) Having low standards. No need for insults, we just have different opinions.
And
Posted on 4/20/18 at 3:00 pm to boxcar willie
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NO coaching hire is a guaranteed success at his new job
I guess, but someone with a track record of success (Fisher) bodes well more than someone with a track record of complete and utter failure (O).
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If we had hired Bill Belicheck and he went 4-8 his first season and 3-9 his second
Except he wouldn't have. In no universe does Bill Belichick finish worse than O in anything remotely related to coaching football.
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So far, for me, Orgeron gives me reason for optimism
Optimism for what, that in the future he can beat a team like TROY?
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