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re: So Joe Alleva is no longer guaranteeing that A&M will be a Saturday Night.

Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:13 pm to
Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:13 pm to
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When the SEC/CBS contract expires, LSU needs to pick a fight with the SEC to have a stipulation regarding LSU home games on Saturday.


See you in 2023 when that contract expires...
Posted by redbaron
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:14 pm to


Yup
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:15 pm to
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We don't really get any benefit other than the bye week before the last game.



Which they also got
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 12:33 pm to
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The SEC says yes to aTm for the thursday game.


So the SEC told A&M yes, without consulting LSU, who is playing in the game.

LINK

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And while Alleva reaffirmed the possibility of the new rivalry Thursday, he also said nothing has been decided and that a Thanksgiving night game is not something he would prefer.






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LSU does not want to host on thursday, so the game is saturday


The game in Baton Rouge is about to be moved to 1:00 pm Black Friday.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:18 pm to
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LSU has asked that our home game that wkend not be on Thanksgiving Day & it appears LSU has no sayso whatsoever.
I guess you're right in that I don't seem to get this, because this is not how I understand it at all. It also sounds like a ridiculous thing to say. There is no precedent for the sec forcing a school to play on thanksgiving, and the idea that it will happen to LSU is far fetched.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:20 pm to
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When the SEC/CBS contract expires, LSU needs to pick a fight with the SEC to have a stipulation regarding LSU home games on Saturday. The SEC will need to make sure this stipulation is in the TV contract.
Yeah. Right.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64615 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:21 pm to
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There is no precedent for the sec forcing a school to play on thanksgiving, and the idea that it will happen to LSU is far fetched.


Remind me again, when is LSU playing A&M this year?


Joe Alleva was on the record saying that he didn't want to play on Thanksgiving.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:24 pm to
I can't tell you how much I wish LSU fans didn't covet victimhood status so much. You are locked into victim gear, so you are programmed to refuse to listen to any of the multiple sensible explanations of how these things work.
Posted by vl100butch
Ridgeland, MS
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:39 pm to
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I can't tell you how much I wish LSU fans didn't covet victimhood status so much. You are locked into victim gear, so you are programmed to refuse to listen to any of the multiple sensible explanations of how these things work.


well, with the combination of having Neville Chamberlain for an athletic director (one of these days I need a fark of Chamberlain getting off the plane from Munich with Alleva's face and the headline stating "Red Elephant Club says Peace in Our Time")

then you add in the way this whole Thanksgiving Day deal was handled...

then you add in the classic "INACTION THIS DAY" after the total clusterf*** of parking for last year's Florida game...not fixing it immediately, but next year...

well, you get the picture...
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 1:51 pm to
You have conveniently dodged every time I have linked Alleva saying, "We do not want to play on Thanksgiving." You also just stated that the SEC can't force a team to play on an earlier date. That is exactly what the SEC is doing, forcing LSU to play on Thanksgiving at College Station, and then we will be forced to play on Black Friday in Baton Rouge.

There are only two option, and you must accept one of them:

1) The SEC forced LSU to play on Thanksgiving against their will
2) Joe Alleva agreed to play on Thanksgiving



Either answer is bad for Alleva.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:07 pm to
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forcing LSU to play on Thanksgiving
Get a grip, dude. This isn't what happened.

Just get the frick over it. Be an adult. You're fighting tooth and nail for victimhood status, and it is very womanly.
Posted by Thorny
Montgomery, AL
Member since May 2008
2217 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:26 pm to
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Joe Alleva never had the power to guarantee a time for the game. Only the day of the game.


Here is where the inconsistency lies.

Every year since expansion brought Arkansas into the league, LSU originally scheduled that home game for Saturday. In about 15 of the last 17 years, CBS demanded the game move to Friday. Apparently, LSU had no ability to reject that. So, the statement that LSU can dictate the game does not square with the evidence in hand.

Personally, the Friday game has been good for me, since I am able to attend more of those than Saturday nights because of travel. But I fully recognize that I am in the minority. What is at issue is that LSU apparently has less ability to influence these things than a brand new team in the league. And that is disturbing.

GEAUX TIGERS
Posted by OceanMan
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:38 pm to
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You're fighting tooth and nail for victimhood status


Or that alleva handled the situation poorly
Posted by tickfawtiger
Killian LA
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:47 pm to
THIS !
Posted by White Tiger
Dallas
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 10/17/14 at 2:48 pm to
How can it be on a Saturday night if it is placed on Thanksgiving day?
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:13 pm to
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Or that alleva handled the situation poorly
This is not the only argument you et al have made, and I have neither agreed nor disagreed with this part.

"LSU got screwed" is way different from "Alleva wussed."

The former is an attempt to claim victimhood status. The latter is a statement I am not in a position to second nor dispute.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:17 pm to
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Every year since expansion brought Arkansas into the league, LSU originally scheduled that home game for Saturday. In about 15 of the last 17 years, CBS demanded the game move to Friday. Apparently, LSU had no ability to reject that. So, the statement that LSU can dictate the game does not square with the evidence in hand.
For what it's worth, I took this argument to mean that LSU dictates whether or not they will allow for their team to play on thanksgiving. To say that LSU dictates the "day" in this case means one day is Thanksgiving, and the other day is Saturday/Friday. Perhaps I'm wrong, but that's how I interpreted that part of the discussion.
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Personally, the Friday game has been good for me, since I am able to attend more of those than Saturday nights because of travel.
I always was in this boat as well when I lived in Louisiana.
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What is at issue is that LSU apparently has less ability to influence these things than a brand new team in the league. And that is disturbing.
This just isn't the case. A&M requested Thanksgiving. The opponent and the SEC said "why not?" If LSU made the exact same request and the opponent was fine with it, the SEC would allow it all the same, and there is no evidence suggesting otherwise.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 3:32 pm
Posted by boxcarbarney
Above all things, be a man
Member since Jul 2007
25745 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:21 pm to
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What is at issue is that LSU apparently has less ability to influence these things than a brand new team in the league. And that is disturbing.


This is the issue. As much as ballcaster wants to ad hom us, calling gentle Chopique a "woman," he is ignoring the central issue here. LSU has a tradition of playing on Saturday nights at home. We are told that this cannot be because of TV contracts. aTm has a tradition of playing on Thanksgiving day, yet no one seems to care about TV contracts here. So does LSU have some special contract with CBS that no other member of the SEC has?
Also that Friday after thanksgiving game sucks. It really does. I don't think people would be so fired up about this, if it wasn't for the fact that the friday after thanksgiving game is the worst, low down, piece of cow dung game there is.
Posted by MoneyShot
Member since Jan 2013
4319 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:31 pm to
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You have conveniently dodged every time I have linked Alleva saying, "We do not want to play on Thanksgiving."


Alleva doesn't want to play on Thanksgiving for LSU home games. The SEC said fine, you don't have to. The contract that the SEC has with CBS is for Black Friday and the following Saturday. If CBS wants LSU playing on Black Friday, it is well within their power to do so per that contract. However, I believe ultimately Arkansas and Missouri will play in that slot, with the Iron Bowl getting the CBS prime time slot of 2:30 Saturday.
This post was edited on 10/17/14 at 3:33 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 10/17/14 at 3:34 pm to
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LSU has a tradition of playing on Saturday nights at home. We are told that this cannot be because of TV contracts. aTm has a tradition of playing on Thanksgiving day, yet no one seems to care about TV contracts here.
This has everything to do with the difference between Thanksgiving and Saturday and nothing to do with the difference between Texas A&M and LSU. That's my point.

The idea that Aggy is being given preferential treatment over LSU is silly, childish, unrealistic, and narcissistic.
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