re: So is this just the SEC is laying the framework to kick us out if we roster the players?

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Basically, but I don't think they're really serious about kicking us out. This is them setting up the framework to punish us if we roster the players. I doubt it would extend all the way to expulsion

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somewhat


this is actually more about them exerting their power to make and enforce rules outside of the NCAA framework.

only problem is Greg kind of fricked up a good bit on the stand

1) he claimed they couldnt play because of ncaa rules, not sec rules. that fricks them on that part
2) he didnt know that the actual NCAA rule actually doesnt exclude them
3) He has allowed others to play, like chambliss, that were ruled ineligible by the ncaa
4) when asked if the someone playing in the G league would be considered a PRO, he said yes, yet he didnt move to kick Bama out

in the end the SEC will be very lucky to win in the end because of lack of clear enforcement of rules, lack of clear rules and lack of consistency

I still think this was a bad move from the Start by LSU and said as much, because its a hit to the brand, even if you dont roster the players. Its not worth it at all

But Sankey is a dumb frick and has screwed up left and right on this, even the claim today that lack of statements by LSU admin meaning lack of institutional control is a huge frick up.

i do not think they try and kick LSU out. they will vote that they have the power to but not push it that far. If they did LSU would file suit in federal court for a multitude of items and would win. prolly would walk away with 500 million plus and Sankeys job.

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And you find this all rational?

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They'd just be enforcing the rules of a conference some players tried to skirt with a state-based TRO.

If they lay down on this, they risk losing enforceability of any rule to state-based rulings.

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Curious, what has your position on Kiffin been since the hiring? Were you a fan of the hire?

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Sure. I think that the fanbase got emotional, as you'd expect, and created expectations that are too high. I hope he can fix his big game meltdowns that have plagued him. If he can, then we should win some titles.

Call their bluff. If the SEC wants to watch itself implode and have the Big10 become the one super conference, let one of your premier schools hit the open market. Texas, Bama, etc would be watching very closely to see what LSU gets, and it would be record breaking.

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only problem is Greg kind of fricked up a good bit on the stand

1) he claimed they couldnt play because of ncaa rules, not sec rules. that fricks them on that part
2) he didnt know that the actual NCAA rule actually doesnt exclude them
3) He has allowed others to play, like chambliss, that were ruled ineligible by the ncaa
4) when asked if the someone playing in the G league would be considered a PRO, he said yes, yet he didnt move to kick Bama out

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I don't think this will end up mattering much in the federal case.

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They'd just be enforcing the rules of a conference some players tried to skirt with a state-based TRO.

If they lay down on this, they risk losing enforceability of any rule to state-based rulings.

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And banning LSU from postseason play even though they were never rostered is the only way to “enforce the rules”? LSU complied, is the penalty you laid out rational?

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think that the fanbase got emotional, as you'd expect, and created expectations that are too high

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Agreed. To be expected for sure.

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hope he can fix his big game meltdowns that have plagued him. If he can, then we should win some titles.

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That was more the aim, of my question. Did you think it was a great hire, or did you prefer other candidates in the lead up and were you more skeptical given those flaws in his approach and the baggage he brings, which are reasonable, imo.

I think it's for that and also anything in the future.

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And banning LSU from postseason play even though they were never rostered

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You're adding things I never said

Punishment would require rostering the players

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or did you prefer other candidates

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No. This was a bad year for candidates and Kiffin was clearly the best.

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I don't think this will end up mattering much in the federal case.

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let me explain why


SEC says this violates our first admin right

judge says ok...cool, what would you like me to adjudicate to make sure this doesnt happen...

sec has zero answer. if its not about the players they have zero. if they say its about the players, you are
1) saying LSU cant roster the players...which they didnt
2) you open yourself up to examine the rules on what a professional is and that brings in the testimony, brings in ncaa rules,
3) you open yourself up for not being consistent across the board with when you enforced the rules

if the sec answers we want the ability to be able to punish members if they violate our rules....if the judge says ok

then the arguments I just made come into play again


any good lawyer is pretty much going to force it down that path

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but as soon as you do that, you open the argument to look at the rules which are not consistent.

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That's for the members to address internally. That's why they have that process in place. This wouldn't be addressed by the court in Bama.

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likely turn their nose up at our academics,

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That's always been a big deal and a dealbreaker for a school like LSU

And that was BEFORE LSU started this fight. The Big10 doesn't want to deal with us