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re: So how many people would blame the coach if that was an LSU runner?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:44 pm to tigerskin
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:44 pm to tigerskin
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The coach did communicate to the player to tag. That is obvious in that the player did go back to the bag to tag.
A good coach will hammer it home. The player returned to tag naturally to me. The coach was pretty stoic the during the whole ordeal.
you think had the coach been in his ear to TAG! TAG! TAG! that he still would have drifted off? The communication was weak. The player got caught in the moment, as did the coach. I am not saying it is ok for the player to get caught in the moment, its not; but it is inexcuseable for the coach to do so.
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Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:46 pm to LsuTool
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Once the player goes back to the bag, there is no reason for the coach to continue watching the runner. If he's watching the runner, how can he tell the runner when to go?
peripheral vision?
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:46 pm to Lester Earl
I guess teams need to hire psychologists and body language experts to coach third base from now on.
Hopefully O'sullivan has the FBIs behavior analysis unit on speed dial, so he can get himself a good third base coach.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:47 pm to Honkus
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I think we can all still blame Javi in this instance tho
I certainly do.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:47 pm to LsuTool
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your making the tigerrant dumber.
Im not being serious. Just joshing with the "I played at Delgado!!!!!" guy.
Listen im not saying go to a baseball game and watch the coach when the game is on the line. But look between pitches, watch how professional coaches talk with the players in between every pitch. Watch how after an at bat, the coach will let the player know the situation, how many outs, etc.
A player should know how many outs there are, right?!!?!?! Why does the coach tell him that every AB?
There is a reason ballclubs hire former players that were good baserunners to coach the bases. Usually 1st.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:49 pm to LsuTool
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I guess teams need to hire psychologists and body language experts to coach third base from now on.
Hopefully O'sullivan has the FBIs behavior analysis unit on speed dial, so he can get himself a good third base coach.
If you haven't played, or even coached....or observed more at a game than just your nachos, you may be able to interpret what I am saying.
Your defense mechanisms are weak. That of someone who isnt very confident in what he says. You aren't worth the time
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:53 pm to Lester Earl
While coaching, I do agree with telling the runner what to do before the ball is hit then hollering it in their ear once it happens. I do agree that the best coaches do that and are constantly reminding the players what to do before it happens. My opinion is that he did get the guy to tag. Kid then just did the unexplainable after that. nothing more to say. I'm out.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:54 pm to Lester Earl
I've played plenty of baseball in my days, I can promise you, 17 years worth. I've forgotten more about how to play baseball then you'll ever know.If anything I've said is incorrect, point it out.
you saying, "oh, im just messing with so and so" is what is weak.
that would be you, mr crawfish earl
you've certainly spent alot of time trying to convince me otherwise.
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Your defense mechanisms are weak
you saying, "oh, im just messing with so and so" is what is weak.
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That of someone who isnt very confident in what he says
that would be you, mr crawfish earl
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You aren't worth the time
you've certainly spent alot of time trying to convince me otherwise.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:56 pm to tigerskin
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Kid then just did the unexplainable after that.
pretty much. If the coach knew that crap would have happened, he prolly would have stood in the baseline with both hands up, but damn. Sac flies happen multiple times a game and hundreds of times throughout these guys careers.
If a first baseman catches a ball from the shortstop and doesnt tag 1B, instead just throws it to the pitcher, some around here would claim that to be the coaches fault.
I understand what your saying LE, I just it's ticky tacky to put that on the coach. He watched the kid go back to the bag then picked up the baseball. After that, the kid lost his freaking mind.
This post was edited on 4/5/12 at 10:59 pm
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:59 pm to Lester Earl
quote:What was he supposed to do, tackle him? He was screaming and waving for him to get back on the bag. I don't think the rules allow him to actually run out there and push him back to third.
and the coach let him leave as they both watched what they thought was a HR
Posted on 4/5/12 at 10:59 pm to tigerskin
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My opinion is that he did get the guy to tag
I respect your opinion. I don't think the coach did enough. To me the poor communication was apparent in the replay.
We'll see what the Gainsville papers have to say in the morning. Good night.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:01 pm to Lester Earl
quote:He didn't. He told him to tag up, and the guy did tag up. Then the guy wandered off the bag again, and the coach started yelling at him to come back, and then started jumping up and down waving towards third and screaming at the guy when he didn't immediately come back to third again.
You don't stare at the ball and not say anything.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:01 pm to King Joey
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He was screaming and waving for him to get back on the bag.
ha, no he absolutely wasn't. He didn't say anything until the ball was caught. That is when it was too late to tag. The player was a good 6-8ft off the bag at that point
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:02 pm to King Joey
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and the coach started yelling at him to come back, and then started jumping up and down waving towards third and screaming at the guy when he didn't immediately come back to third again.
you need to watch the replay again.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:03 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Yes, he did. It is clear as day on the replay.
And he didnt yell for him to return to the bag until Katz caught the ball
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:04 pm to Lester Earl
Anyone who blames the third base coach for this has never played competitive baseball past middle school. ANYONE who has played legitimate baseball knows what to do in that situation. These guys are college athletes, not little leaguers.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:05 pm to Lester Earl
Seriously..you're really clueless
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:07 pm to purpledrankk
for the 100th time, i blame them both. If the runner messes up, the coach is at fault, especially when there is poor communication there. The coach is there for a reason. In a situation that dire, you do everything in your power to let the player know what to do. even if he knows already.
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:07 pm to Swat5
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Seriously..you're really clueless
o i forgot you played at Delgado
Posted on 4/5/12 at 11:08 pm to Lester Earl
quote:Then you should use the situation you're describing, and quit talking about this one. In this situation, the runner at 3rd had a lead. The ball was hit into right field. The 3rd base coach yelled for him to tag up, and he did. Then he wandered off the base again, and the third base coach yelled at him again. When he kept wandering, the coach starting jumping up and down waving and screaming at him to come back.
Im trying to teach situational baseball here.
If you want to teach situational baseball using this situation, you need to stop saying the 3rd base coach didn't tell him to get back to the bag both before AND after he tagged. He clearly did. Short of tackling him (which is illegal), there's nothing more he could have done. The guy was looking into RF and could not possibly have seen the coach unless the coach walked out toward 2nd base, which I'm pretty sure is illegal.
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