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So can we all agree that the bare cupboard talk was just excuses?
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:29 am
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:29 am
We just saw first hand that this roster has the talent to match up against even very good top 10 teams. The players are there.
The only team that outmatches us on our schedule is Alabama. Period.
Yes we lost a lot of talent last year. We lose NFL players in bunches every year. So does Alabama and every other top program. Sorry, it's not an excuse, deal with it.
Yes there are some places where depth isn't there (the OL would NOT be on this list without nine lineman leaving since the coaching change).
Do any of those depth issues excuse losing to Troy or getting BTFO by Mississippi State? Not even close.
Any issues this team had in September were due to the new coaching structure sorting itself out and some young guys adjusting to college football. Again, that will happen every year. That should all be on track at this point.
Hopefully O will continue hitting the recruiting trail hard to shore up this next class while Canada and Aranda continue building on the success we saw on Saturday.
We should be 9-3 and in line for a damn good bowl game when December rolls around. Do that, and this thing is pretty much on track.
We will then have a loaded group of sophomores and juniors next year ready to at least make games against Alabama Miami and Georgia competitive, with pulling off at least one win in those three and winning the others we are supposed to.
We've seen what this team can do. The talent is there. If the coaching structure stays on track, what we saw against Auburn should be just the beginning
The only team that outmatches us on our schedule is Alabama. Period.
Yes we lost a lot of talent last year. We lose NFL players in bunches every year. So does Alabama and every other top program. Sorry, it's not an excuse, deal with it.
Yes there are some places where depth isn't there (the OL would NOT be on this list without nine lineman leaving since the coaching change).
Do any of those depth issues excuse losing to Troy or getting BTFO by Mississippi State? Not even close.
Any issues this team had in September were due to the new coaching structure sorting itself out and some young guys adjusting to college football. Again, that will happen every year. That should all be on track at this point.
Hopefully O will continue hitting the recruiting trail hard to shore up this next class while Canada and Aranda continue building on the success we saw on Saturday.
We should be 9-3 and in line for a damn good bowl game when December rolls around. Do that, and this thing is pretty much on track.
We will then have a loaded group of sophomores and juniors next year ready to at least make games against Alabama Miami and Georgia competitive, with pulling off at least one win in those three and winning the others we are supposed to.
We've seen what this team can do. The talent is there. If the coaching structure stays on track, what we saw against Auburn should be just the beginning
This post was edited on 10/16/17 at 7:37 am
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:32 am to Tiger Voodoo
Talent is developed. These guys were raw as hell.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:34 am to Tiger Voodoo
I think it just made it harder to implement a new offensive system.
We also lost major role players on defense. Now that younger guys are gaining experience the team is starting to improve.
We also lost major role players on defense. Now that younger guys are gaining experience the team is starting to improve.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:40 am to Bmath
According to Phil Steele, LSU has had more junior departures to the NFL than any team in the last 7 years. Couple that with key transfers and suspensions, we do not have developed depth to sustain SEC play. Young players performing at home are far different than on the road. It's good to get young players out on the field for the coming years.
What has been missing is team leadership...That appears to be improving
What has been missing is team leadership...That appears to be improving
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:42 am to Tiger Voodoo
Actually, what happened were we had certain key players on defense that got hurt and were unable to play and we didn't have the depth to replace those key players adequately. Thus, we ended up getting blown away by Moo State and loss to Troy. However, since those key players have returned back to playing again, we have beaten a top 20 team and a top 10 team in back to back weeks. So as long as we remain healthy we should finish out 9 & 3 or possibly 8 & 4. 10 & 2 is still a remote possibility too, but very unlikely. However, nevertheless, you never know.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:44 am to Tiger Voodoo
Can you just enjoy a win? The team is thin on both lines due to numerous reasons already documented. It is a fact. Les pushed come to LSU and get drafted to pump up recruiting it was a strategy that was not going to sustain a program.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:45 am to Space Cowboy
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or possibly 8 & 4
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Space Cowboy
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Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:47 am to LSUGoo
I don't remember LSU ever playing so many freshman in a season. You are going to take lumps doing that. They don't know their assignments, are still filling out their frames and get rattled easily when things don't go as planned. The game experience is going to pay off in the long run and I expect to be playing for championships in two years when these guys grow into the beasts that they should.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:48 am to Tiger Voodoo
We're a couple of injuries away from being the same team that got blown out by Miss St and lost to Troy.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:49 am to Tiger Voodoo
as I said yesterday, imo, the injuries on the o line have been a blessing. that youth is developing more and more each week. they gave etling a lot of time on Saturday. some of his sacks/hurries are the inability to check down in a timely manner and bailing on the play too early. secondary really manned up in the second half (no pun).
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:50 am to Tiger Voodoo
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We just saw first hand that this roster has the talent to match up against even very good top 10 teams. The players are there.
few said the roster didn't have talent but it was the distribution. our LOS are thin as evidenced biy the huge drop off when Lawrence, Alexander and Herron couldn't play. our OL is filled with 18 and 19 yr olds that appear to be talented but inexperienced AND not physically mature enough yet. we can argue about the talent at QB forever but DE is not a top talent and our back ups are just not ready yet.
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Yes there are some places where depth isn't there (the OL would NOT be on this list without nine lineman leaving since the coaching change).
no depth is definitely a talent issue. it's likely that of the nine OL that left only ONE was talented enough to play SEC ball at a high level and he flunked out. it was HIS FAULT for not meeting the academic standards set (which are pretty modest)
I agree with the premise of your post but the talent may be there it's just needing reps and depth. also, you didn't mention the WR's. that position just started to be a factor as all we started with was one dependable guy (Chark).
I am optimistic going forward also, esp if we can fill in top talent on the LOS to provide depth and starters down the road.
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We've seen what this team can do. The talent is there. If the coaching structure stays on track, what we saw against Auburn should be just the beginning
agree wholeheartedly. but remember that young talent is not that consistent. witness Delpit as proof.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:51 am to Tiger Voodoo
We are playing a lot of freshmen. They are starting to get settled in.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 7:56 am to Chimlim
If you don't think our lack of depth on defensive line lead to State/Cuse/Troy shite play IDK what to tell you.
Is that on O for not getting depth on the dline in cruitin season? Maybe.
But the Lawrence injury/Key fatassness really hindered an already thin/young dline.
Couple that with the extreme thinness on oline and a regressing KJ malone.
Yea we are thin pal.
But our young talent is damn good and they are getting better. Need them to take another step this week at Ole Miss before we shock the fricking world in T-town!
Is that on O for not getting depth on the dline in cruitin season? Maybe.
But the Lawrence injury/Key fatassness really hindered an already thin/young dline.
Couple that with the extreme thinness on oline and a regressing KJ malone.
Yea we are thin pal.
But our young talent is damn good and they are getting better. Need them to take another step this week at Ole Miss before we shock the fricking world in T-town!
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:08 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So can we all agree that the bare cupboard talk was just excuses?
No.
At the start of the season the cupboard was bare of experienced talent ready to play.
They were unsure and tentative on both sides of the line. Aggression will blow the tentative back 3 yards every play.
The skilled positions had two problems. They were unsure and blew assignments for big plays, and the poor line play made passing and defending the pass much more difficult.
They now have 7games and 2 months under their belts.
The staff needs to slow the loss of kids before their senior years. Nick does a much better job, and Les was subpar.
Finally.
All the public O-hate by supposed knowledgeable Tiger fans must stop! This is killing recruiting you fricking morons. If you truly love LSU football, STFU!
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:09 am to BUGAtGOAT
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Is that on O for not getting depth on the dline in cruitin season? Maybe.
Everything falls on the HC. The premise in the OP is just screwed up to start with because regardless of reasoning, the HC is 100% responsible.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:09 am to LSU GrandDad
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no depth is definitely a talent issue.
and Experience.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:18 am to BUGAtGOAT
quote:Yup
If you don't think our lack of depth on defensive line lead to State/Cuse/Troy shite play IDK what to tell you.
Is that on O for not getting depth on the dline in cruitin season? Maybe.
But the Lawrence injury/Key fatassness really hindered an already thin/young dline.
Couple that with the extreme thinness on oline and a regressing KJ malone.
Yea we are thin pal.
Posted on 10/16/17 at 8:52 am to Tiger Voodoo
quote:No, it's been an excuse all along..
Do any of those depth issues excuse losing to Troy or getting BTFO by Mississippi State?
It's not like LSU has busted out of the gate and led by 10 lengths, only to sputter at the end of each race.
JMHO, I think at the players only meeting there was a come to Jesus moment in accountability, revisited during AU game halftime.
Whatever it takes
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:06 am to Tiger Voodoo
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So can we all agree that the bare cupboard talk was just excuses? b
LOL, no! We have 3 freshman playing OL, and the DL is depleted.
6 games in, they are getting better. Shocker!
There never was questions about skilled positions, except qb. Ours is weak
Posted on 10/16/17 at 9:09 am to Tiger Voodoo
one of the glaring issues seems to have been corrected with a little high pressure, and that's Special Teams.
From kicker to kick-off to punt returning (was the lone positive factor on this team), LSU special teams was A++ vs Auburn. Keep it up!
From kicker to kick-off to punt returning (was the lone positive factor on this team), LSU special teams was A++ vs Auburn. Keep it up!
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