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re: SMU is a good win
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:43 pm to EPORE
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:43 pm to EPORE
quote:Well, given that our ceiling has been an early exit in the NCAA tourney for the last 20 years...we better get John Brady back.
The expectation here is championships, not mediocrity.
This post was edited on 12/15/25 at 12:46 pm
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Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:44 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:
Like Woody hayes said "There's nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you."
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mcspufftiger7
Scott, is that you?
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:48 pm to lurking
It’s more the way they are playing than the wins themselves. If you don’t understand the impact an SEC caliber PG makes then I can’t help you understand. If you don’t understand the impact a big who can post up makes then I can’t help you understand. If you don’t understand the impact a6’9” FW who can hit the 3 but also the it to the hole and finish then I can’t help you understand. TO are down. Rebounding is competitive. Defense intensity is better. That’s different from last 3 years. Not difficult to understand.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:50 pm to mcspufftiger7
Nobody is saying it wasn't a good win.
We are simply saying tap the breaks. We have seen a McMahon coached team start 12-1 and start off SEC play with a win over a top 10 team only to go 1-16 the rest of the way.
Still concerning we have no three point threat outside of Makinnon
We are simply saying tap the breaks. We have seen a McMahon coached team start 12-1 and start off SEC play with a win over a top 10 team only to go 1-16 the rest of the way.
Still concerning we have no three point threat outside of Makinnon
Posted on 12/15/25 at 12:53 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:
impact an SEC caliber PG makes
You don’t know that he is. You’re making assumptions based on OOC play. Which is my point.
Until SEC play begins we don’t really know what we have.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:29 pm to lurking
I’m pulling for this team and McMahon but he better pile up conference wins early because the 2/10-3/3 conference stretch is a beast:
Arkansas
at Tennessee
at Texas
Alabama
at Ole Miss
Oklahoma
at Auburn
We’ll be lucky to get 2 wins in this stretch.
Arkansas
at Tennessee
at Texas
Alabama
at Ole Miss
Oklahoma
at Auburn
We’ll be lucky to get 2 wins in this stretch.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:41 pm to Romney Wordsworth
quote:
Arkansas
at Tennessee
at Texas
Alabama
at Ole Miss
Oklahoma
at Auburn
We’ll be lucky to get 2 wins in this stretch.
Yep. 2-4 during this stretch would be exceeding expectations. Really, need to go 2-1 in these t3 at Texas; at Ole Miss; and vs Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:43 pm to Romney Wordsworth
DJ had 12 assists against an SMU team that went 2-1 against SEC teams. I've watched and played enough basketball to see that he is an SEC caliber PG. he is at the least the best PG at LSU since Tremont Waters. It ain't much of a stretch. Didn't say he would be all SEC but he has an above average Bball IQ.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:46 pm to mcspufftiger7
McWorthless still sucks
Posted on 12/15/25 at 1:59 pm to mcspufftiger7
Last year we lost to:
#5 Tennessee by 6
At OK by 3
#25 Ole Miss by 2 and 12
At #4 Alabama by 7
At #11 TAM by 11
And played Auburn and Florida tight until late in the game when their talent took over with way less talent than we have this year. I understand those teams aren't the same but neither are we. To be able to even compete with the PG's we had was impressive and we had no post presence whatsoever with Reed out. So these games will be tough as will most SEC games but it's not impossible to pull off a few of those this year.
#5 Tennessee by 6
At OK by 3
#25 Ole Miss by 2 and 12
At #4 Alabama by 7
At #11 TAM by 11
And played Auburn and Florida tight until late in the game when their talent took over with way less talent than we have this year. I understand those teams aren't the same but neither are we. To be able to even compete with the PG's we had was impressive and we had no post presence whatsoever with Reed out. So these games will be tough as will most SEC games but it's not impossible to pull off a few of those this year.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:10 pm to lurking
quote:
McMahon has done nothing to earn the benefit of the doubt. He had big wins before that ultimately meant nothing once SEC play started.
The thing that makes this year's team promising is they have consistently found ways to beat lesser opponents convincingly. Previous teams did not win convincingly consistently against lesser opponents. Previous teams had some very good games, but this team has been consistent, except for the Tech game.
They are not a great team, because they lack depth, particularly at 3 point shooting depth. They will lose games due to their frontcourt getting in foul trouble and when Max goes cold, which is what happened against Tech. Both happening is a death sentence to this team. When their frontcourt stays out of foul trouble and when Max is hot, then I think they will win most games, even against the likes of Texas Tech. With only 1 happening, they will be able to beat some bubble teams. They beat SMU just on Max's hot shooting, even with the frontcourt getting in foul trouble. That's our clearest path to victories. We need a good 3 point threat for our frontcourt to get room to operate. If Max is cold, unless someone else can become a steady 3 point threat, we won't beat many good teams. I think we may get a couple of wins against bubble teams with just our frontcourt staying out of foul trouble, even without good 3 point shooting, but those wins will be fewer and further between.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:14 pm to WaydownSouth
Yes there were some saying it wasn't a good win and I haven't seen anyone say anything outrageous other than this is a tournament team which is also what some .of the basketball talking heads have said also. It's the losers who feel the need to come on here and tell anyone that says anything positive about a game that Mcmahon sucks and they won't go anywhere. It is the dweebs that post DURING a game or during the first half how Mcmahon sucks and how they will lose. So you make a comment that the team looked great and that was a good win and these Mcdweebs, and that's what they are, feel the need to come and tell you you are an idiot for saying that?There is something wrong with you if this is all you do and yet they think we are the problem.LOL I mean seriously who does that? Think about how f**ked up your life has to be to be making that a priority in your life? And most of these Mcdweebs couldn't dribble or shoot a basketball if their life depended on it.. I agree there needs to be another 3 point shooter to step up although sutton has shown he can hit from the corner. But demonizing LSU basketball fans for supporting their team is the epitome of the word losers.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 2:29 pm to Romney Wordsworth
quote:
Arkansas
at Tennessee
at Texas
Alabama
at Ole Miss
Oklahoma
at Auburn
We’ll be lucky to get 2 wins in this stretch.
LSU is currently 32 in NET, and I think that is a realistic rating. I'd be very surprised if they only win 2 games in this stretch. Here are the NET for the teams you listed:
18 Arkansas - likely loss, but it's home, so possible win
35 at Tennessee - likely loss since away
69 at Texas - likely win, as LSU has beaten 2 top 50 teams away from home.
14 Alabama - likely loss.
97 at Ole Miss - likely win
50 Oklahoma - likely win
33 Auburn - better than 50% chance to win.
I think 3-4 in this stretch is very likely, 4-3 is likely, and 5-2 would not be a shocker. The only 2 teams in the stretch that are significantly better are Arkansas and Alabama, and both of those are home games, so we could shock either of those teams. If we do shock one of those teams, then we could shockingly be 6-1 in that stretch.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:11 pm to Lapaz
quote:
LSU is currently 32 in NET, and I think that is a realistic rating.
NET is totally data driven. There is no subjectivity in it. The data says that's where LSU is currently ranked unless and until it doesn't.
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18 Arkansas - likely loss, but it's home, so possible win
35 at Tennessee - likely loss since away
69 at Texas - likely win, as LSU has beaten 2 top 50 teams away from home.
14 Alabama - likely loss.
97 at Ole Miss - likely win
50 Oklahoma - likely win
33 Auburn - better than 50% chance to win.
I think 3-4 in this stretch is very likely, 4-3 is likely, and 5-2 would not be a shocker. The only 2 teams in the stretch that are significantly better are Arkansas and Alabama, and both of those are home games, so we could shock either of those teams. If we do shock one of those teams, then we could shockingly be 6-1 in that stretch.
McMahon has only won ~25% of his 54 SEC (reg season) games. When you further expand that to true road games, the winning % gets much worse. He's a career 4-23 in such games. (.150). Thus, to ASSUME LSU wins any SEC game is contrary to what the numbers say. To ASSUME they win any true road games is even moreso.
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as LSU has beaten 2 top 50 teams away from home.
One was a neutral site and (I'm guessing you are talking about UCF) is a game that doesn't count. True road games are a different animal. That's why they count for more in the NET.
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I think 3-4 in this stretch is very likely, 4-3 is likely, and 5-2 would not be a shocker. The only 2 teams in the stretch that are significantly better are Arkansas and Alabama, and both of those are home games, so we could shock either of those teams. If we do shock one of those teams, then we could shockingly be 6-1 in that stretch.
That is VERY optimistic. If those games started today the only one LSU might be favored in is vs. Oklahoma. There are reasons to be cautiously optimistic about this team. But to say 4, 5, maybe even 6 wins vs that cluster of teams is probably a bit much.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:20 pm to Lapaz
LOL you are more optimistic than even I am. Be prepare to be deluged with "you're an idiot" posts.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:23 pm to Alt26
quote:
NET is totally data driven. There is no subjectivity in it. The data says that's where LSU is currently ranked unless and until it doesn't.
This is much more valid than results from his previous 3 teams. This is a totally different team.
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McMahon has only won ~25% of his 54 SEC (reg season) games. When you further expand that to true road games, the winning % gets much worse. He's a career 4-23 in such games. (.150). Thus, to ASSUME LSU wins any SEC game is contrary to what the numbers say. To ASSUME they win any true road games is even moreso.
Those numbers are irrelevant, since they are for totally different teams. There are only 2 past players on this team, and one is out for the season. Results from this team are all that matters. If your argument is based on McMann's coaching prowess, it is still invalid, because he has never been on a level field. I really don't care about those arguments that people love to dwell upon. I only care to evaluate the team this year, and how they are faring. While more data is needed for NET, what I've seen justifies a NET in the 30s. They may end up 39 or 30, but I think 30s is justitfied. Some of the other NETs may be wrong too. Auburn may be better than us, but Arkansas and Alabama may not be as good as their NET. The NETs will change, but I've seen a team with talent that will do well. 5-2 is definitely optimistic, but that would not shock me. 6-1 or 7-0 would shock me, but likewise, if they fall on their face, and only win 2 out of those 7, then I will be equally shocked.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:25 pm to mcspufftiger7
quote:
LOL you are more optimistic than even I am. Be prepare to be deluged with "you're an idiot" posts.
I am optimistic, as most fans should be, but I also think NET grounds the optimism. It isn't a totally emotional argument. I'm enjoying the season, and I'm optimistic that it will continue.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:41 pm to Lapaz
quote:
If your argument is based on McMann's coaching prowess, it is still invalid, because he has never been on a level field
Did McMahon not recuit and put together his previous teams?
I am not someone who is rooting against CMM, I have my doubts about his coaching ability, but I want him to succeed. Saying that you can'y use any of the historical data on him seems like a bit of a stretch and cop out.
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:41 pm to Lapaz
When I’m trying to lean away from my own bias, espn matchup predictor along with Bart torvic usually can at least give me some sort of confirmation. ESPN’s matchup predictor last I looked at it on Saturday after the win has lsu more likely to win 7 conference games. Bart torvic predicted a 9-9 conference record. Of course you can’t predict injuries or the effect of momentum or co fence a team has effecting future results. But right now analytics predict us at or slightly below .500 fwiw
Posted on 12/15/25 at 3:48 pm to Lapaz
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33 Auburn - better than 50% chance to win.
Also a decent chance that Auburn's season is snowballing towards the end of the year under Pearl Jr as a 1st year HC.
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