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re: Smart Football's Chris Brown breaks down the "winning play" in OT for LSU...

Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:01 pm to
Posted by HeadSlash
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:01 pm to
Thanks for the post
Posted by DEANintheYAY
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:02 pm to
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evidently, neither is sarcasm...



Gotcha To be honest, I was a bit shocked to see you post that because you are generally knowledgeable regarding football. My bad.
Posted by Methuselah
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:02 pm to
Yeah. He was clearly out of bounds. He must've thought he had more room because he could have run another 1/2 yard inside and it would have been TD.
Posted by lctiger
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 1:17 pm to
another wrinkle is that many of our short side options in the past have been run from the pistol/shotgun. Before this game, we never ran it much with jj under center. To me, the angles are much better with the qb under center.
Posted by GFunk
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:30 pm to
To me, it makes me wonder if JJ taking that big, looping angle isn't by design.

We're inviting the uncovered defender to read the quarterback, but also tempting him by having Jordan stay relatively deep in the backfield as he runs laterally.

Typically, the complaint there with him being so deep is that you want to initiate that uncovered or unblocked player making that read and comitting by "pressing the line" or pushing towards the line of scrimmage, which JJ really does not.

Instead, the invites the kid into the backfield, and Ford stays deep enough that it allows Hilliard time to identify the edge guy and get a hat on him.

Seems counterintuitive almost, but it works in this instance.

I also really think we ran this after seeing how 'Bama would read the keys when we ran it earlier in the game. Don't discount what Brown brings up in terms of us rearranging the blocking assignments once we saw how Bama was going to defend that play.

My point-quite literally-is that our offensive coaching staff completely rooked and outcoached the Alabama defensive staff by showing this look to them early and allowing them to stop it. Just so we could see how they matched up.
Posted by AlxTgr
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:34 pm to
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it makes me wonder if JJ taking that big, looping angle isn't by design
Have wondered enough to almost start a thread on it.
Posted by texastiger7
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:40 pm to
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That play call took balls


yeah JJ barely got that ball off.. bad things could have easily happened
Posted by ATLTiger
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:43 pm to
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Didn't realize Hilliard had been the FB on that play.


I touched on this the other day when somebody mentioned that they didn't wanna see Hilliard run that FB dive because it got no yards consistently. yeah, it might not always get yards, but I think the defense keys on him when he's in the game and it may make the LBs focus on stopping him on an inside run when we're going outside (as was the case here, and also on another run where we faked to him and flipped the ball to the TB).
Posted by OBUDan
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 2:44 pm to
Chris Faulk is a fricking man.
Posted by tjohn deaux
GA
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:13 pm to
interesting

I like seeing it broken down like that, and when you have a block by the fullback, TWO guys out of the play, courtesy Faulk, and no penetration, you're hoping the guy, by some miracle, accidentally steps out of bounds!

I have a new respect for the option. I was always one who felt if the defense plays technique, the option is of no effect... au contraire, when you lay it out with the overloaded wide side, that makes the short side option a much smarter move, provided it is properly coached.
Posted by Ye_Olde_Tiger
Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:26 pm to
I'm not certain but I think all of the option plays run in regulation were to the wide side....
Posted by DeathValleyHobo
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:32 pm to
This really is evidence if everyone just does there job a team succeeds. The LSU section I was in went absolutely insane when this happened.
Posted by Oily Tigah
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:44 pm to
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That play call took balls


How is that? The perimeter is the only place they were vulnerable all night.

It was nice to see that after the Crowton years of not being able to get a yard off of that play that the new OCs have taught JJ and the boys how to run it correctly.
This post was edited on 11/8/11 at 3:46 pm
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 3:46 pm to
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JJ probably turns upfield with the ball (like he always does)

Didn't think about this until I read your post, but yea, JJ kept all year long. I've been criticizing him for hogging the ball. But in this game he pitched most of the time. Maybe they were setting bama up all this time.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 4:08 pm to
I don't know why so many people don't like the option, it can be very successfull and hard to defend.
Posted by just me
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 4:11 pm to
Some folks post that it doesn't matter on a running play who the QB is because one QB can hand off as well as another QB.

Some folks post that a QB running a play takes away a carry from a more talented running RB.

This play shows why a running QB makes a running attack better. With a QB who is a running threat, the defense has to account for the QB.

On this play, Jefferson completely takes the DE out of the play. Without the threat of Jefferson keeping the ball, that DE would have either neutralized Hilliard or tackled Ford. Either way, the play doesn't work without a QB who is a running threat.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 11/8/11 at 4:25 pm to
I love lee, but it seems that jj has many more advantages then lee.
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