re: Skip says you can’t blame Paul. Teams are just too even these days

When Orgeron took over we had more kickers than inside LB. we also had only 9 offensive lineman. All I know is our DLine was poor and themplayers we had. Had to play almost every play. What ever. Stay in negative denial

Orgeron has rebuilt the roster. We are still below Bama on the line of scrimmage. But LB. WR and DBs. We have a relevant QB. And a QB room with good talent and a QB pipeline in recruiting. In three years this program has been completely reset.

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When Orgeron took over we had more kickers than inside LB. we also had only 9 offensive lineman.

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Amazing that you’re still throwing this BS around even in a baseball thread.

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All that needs to be said about the parity in baseball is Coastal Carolina, Stony Brook(Didn't win it all but had I think 5-6 draft picks),Fresno St

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blah, blah, blah. Pepperdine in '92, Creighton, etc. You got examples, I have examples of the same from the 90s.

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That's a fact.

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you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

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If you refuse to understand how hard it is to compete at a championship level consistently then you just need to quit following the sport

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lolwut? You're the one who thinks that the 90s were a cakewalk.

Actually, the way it works is, if you come running into this thread with your "it's a fact" hyperbole, the onus is on you. Not me.

Still waiting.

I know you're hanging on my every word, but some of us work for a living.

You like parachuting into this thread with "that's a fact that no one can debate"... well, I think you're full of shite on that "fact."

Is the SEC tougher? Certainly in given years, with an LSU program that is not as strong as it was in the 90s to rule them with an iron fist, SEC teams in the 2009-2019 have risen and won the title.

But, there is ebb and flow. Like I pointed out, S.Carolina was dominant for a couple of years. Now they are a doormat.

Since you picked the time ranges in your last post...

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From 1990-2000 there were a grand total of 7 times an SEC team either won or played for a title in that time frame and LSU was 5 of those. So 2 other teams in 10 years from the SEC. From 2009-2019 11 times an SEC team either played for or won a NC. LSU was only twice in that span so 9 other times an SEC team was playing for a NC

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Here are some facts (actual correct use of the word):

SEC programs with CWS appearances
1990-2000: Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miss State, Tennessee (TOTAL: 7)

2009-2019: Arkansas, Florida, LSU, Ole Miss, MissState, USC, Vandy (TOTAL: 7)

Also, Texas A&M made it twice each period. So, a wash. I don't think you're arguing that adding A&M to the conference suddenly made LSU's chances of winning a CWS less likely. If you are arguing that, then you're an idiot.

Also, LSU being the best it was in the 1990-2000 range, LSU eliminated the following SEC teams at the CWS:

1991: Florida (Semi-final; gave them their only 2 losses)
1996: Florida (Semi-final; gave them their only 2 losses)
1997: Bama (FINAL)

You're arguing the SEC is monumentally harder than it was during Skip's heyday. I think not. I think the difference is that LSU is not the beast they were within the SEC. One could argue the SEC would have won 4 CWS titles 1990-2000 if LSU was weak:

1990 UGA
1991 UF
1996 UF
1997 Bama

That's the same as 2009-2019 if LSU was weak:

2010 USC
2011 USC
2014 Vandy
2017 Florida


SUMMARY: In other words, it is circular logic to say, "The SEC is stronger now than in Skip's heyday, and so LSU is winning less titles." CPM detractors can argue LSU is weaker now on a yearly basis than in Skip's heyday, so of course more SEC teams have more opportunity to win it.

btw, I'm not one calling for Paul's head.

But, I stand by my original assertion in this thread that Skip was being more diplomatic than historically accurate.

So it’s ok to shite on Coach O?

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SEC programs with CWS appearances

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Why are you using overall programs and not total appearances by all programs? That’s an accurate gauge. Let me help you out.


From 1990-2000 the SEC had 21 CWS appearances

From 2009-2019 the SEC had 25 not counting this years participants.

Not to mention the format now is harder to make the CWS and win it all. Skips teams didn’t have to play a Super Regional or play a best of 3 championship series. Just about every year the SEC has about 8 or so teams in the top 30 RPI. That’s deep. Just acknowledge that the SEC is a harder conference to play in now a days and college baseball overall is a much bigger and more competitive sport

Personally, I think it’s easier for teams especially teams short of pitchers to advance now as opposed to the old six team regionals.

Huge gap in talent between a LSU and all in state schools.