re: Skenes 6IP 9Ks 0ER 1BB

lol

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The Mets didn’t have a pitching coach his entire time there.
Year 6, his first pitching coach at any level when moving over to the Angels, he started 39 games. THIRTY NINE in which he pitched 284 innings with 329 Ks.

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Nolan Ryan was never this good even when he had a pitching coach. That does not mean he wasn't a good pitcher. He just isnt Paul Skenes.

Ryan had a long list of superlatives and had had fantastic longevity, butRyan gave up a ton of hits and led the league in walked batters 8x's in his prime. In 27 years was never voted as the best pitcher in his league.

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I can look at stats and see.

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no you can’t. Like stats when they raised the mound? How does that fit with your stats? How about the change to the seams of balls? How many versions of “war” are there? As long as you don’t try to boil a players contribution to overall team success by a single value, I’m fine with it. Most people try to oversimplify the value of a player and the things that a player actually does to help the team win. This can’t be calculated in one way.
It’s like running Skene’s pitch count up by the fourth inning and getting him out the game when he K’s every batter. He could have a no hitter but only go 4 innings. What would you rather? Him pitching 8 innings or 4? How does WaR factor into that ab where someone got him for 12 pitches and does it twice? It doesn’t include productive ABs for example.

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The Mets were developing some good pitchers in the late 60s,

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No they weren’t developing anyone. They had good pitchers before ever getting to the major leagues. That was their justification for not having one.

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Also, can you imagine the Mets with Seaver, Ryan, Matlack, Koosman in their rotation?

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exactly why they didn’t have one. Those guys could pitch. Ryan was sped up to the major leagues at 19 and was just a thrower. He nearly quit because he didn’t think he would ever make it. His words.

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Doc gooden is the only guy I can think of that dominated this early. Maybe Fernando Valenzuela.

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BOTH good comparisons, and both Gooden & Fernando were on very good teams their rookie seasons. Gooden/Mets finished in 2d place at 90-72 and Fernando won a WS with the Dodgers.

Can't wait to see PS wheel and deal for a contender. Sadly, it is unlikely to happen until he is out of Pittsburgh. The fan excitement, press attention & 'merch meter' move he would generate with the Yanks, Mets, Cubs, Dodgers, or a handful of other teams would be off the charts. Wishing him nothing but the best as his career progresses.

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Skenes probably sobbed uncontrollably seeing a 6 in the run column.

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I'm not sure anyone makes it to the majors without some kind of developmen

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baseball wasn’t nearly the same. He threw well over 100. He was a thrower.
Ryan was not nearly close to a finished product with the Mets anfter 5 years in the organization annd hundreds of innings. Angels pitching coach Tom Morgan noticed that Ryan was overthrowing. Ryan would fall of the mound to the left. This a quote from Nolan Ryan himself in the documentary talking about Tom Morgan.

"He was the first person that really got me thinking about what I had to do in my delivery to be more consistent."

This is what Angles catcher Jeff Torborg said about Morgan and Ryan.

"He stood in front on Nolan and made him stride out past him so that he didn't spin off the ball. It was incredible. It was like a light bulb went on."

Ron Goldman, author of the book Nolan Ryan: Making of a Pitcher, said this in the documentary.

"Big thing with Nolan back then, he was overthrowing. And he's fall off the mound. That's the main thing that Tom Morgan sees. (With Morgan standing to the left of Ryan) So Ryan can't follow through to the left or hell hit Tom Morgan. So he straightens out his fundamentals.

He clearly had issues issues with his mechanics when he arrived in Anaheim. Why didn’t the Mets coaching staff pick up on this? Went to a strong contender for Cy Young g in his first year with the Angels.

Give him the Cy Young Award now