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re: Since 2007: LSU (2 SEC WC, 2 SECC, 1 NC), Bama (5 SEC WC, 3 SECC, 3 NC)
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:14 am to SammyTiger
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:14 am to SammyTiger
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No. I said all teams that aren'y undefeated are in some way lucky. and the whole point was that it doesn't diminish them. You think it does and i don't.
Is this some kind of bizarro world, or do you really just not remember what you posted?
No, that is not what you said. For like the 3rd time, this is what you said:
Or getting to play the #3 team in the polls because the BCS loved Oklahoma for some reason.
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Yes it could. Any team that wasn't undefeated could be called lucky.
But the reasons the 2007 team is referred to as lucky are exclusive to only that season.
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You told me why it is ok to shite on the 2007 championship.
Like I said, its not my problem that you can't handle a factual answer to a question.
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It was obviously lucky, but lots of teams get lucky in some way or another. You decided what is more or less lucky.
I didn't decide anything. It is what it is.
Are you going to get mad at me too if I said a guy that wins the lottery is more lucky than a guy that calls a coin flip correctly?
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Like i said. I never said the 2003 team was worth any less or that Nick Saban was less of a coach.
I don't recall stating any of that.
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I ust said it was lucky
Wait, so now it's lucky again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but your last official stance on this was "it's not luck, it's just football." You've flip flopped on the several times though, so I may not be completely up to date.
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You imply that luck is a bad thing that makes a team less worthy.
Actually that's a concept that you introduced in this thread. The first poster you responded to said miles was lucky for winning in 2007. You took that and ran with it being a dis, and now here we are.
The whole pumping gets confusing thing started out as a joke, but now I'm really starting to believe it.
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Both are great. But you would rather shite on miles than enjoy an accomplishment. You suck.
And you shite on 2003 to protect miles. You suck.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:18 am
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Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:18 am to Cadello
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The same critics that dropped an undefeated FSU team to #4 because of the close wins didn't take Bama's close wins into consideration.
You're right, they played the same opponents so that makes total sense
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Fate will catch up with them..it always does.
You're a smart one
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:24 am to GeorgeReymond
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Don't give me that "last seven" nonsense.
They are what they are. If Saban's next seven are like Miles' last seven, they won't be happy with him at Alabama.
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All wins & losses during that time have been his responsibility
The same is true of Saban at Alabama. Still, if his next seven years are like Miles' last seven, they won't be happy with him at Alabama.
People pointing to the last seven years for Miles is like people pointing out Arkansas' 17-game SEC losing streak. Why pick 17 games for Arkansas? Because that's how many they lost before winning one. If they'd lost another one, people would have been talking about 18 games. Why pick 7 years for Miles? Because that's how long we haven't been an elite performing program. Next year, if things don't get a lot better, we'll be talking about eight years. And each year after that without a big change will add another year to the time we haven't been an elite program.
Also, when you're attempting to point out the unfairness of focusing on Miles' last seven years as opposed to all ten, keep in mind that the seven year period includes his best year in terms of record. If people were really trying to be unfair and discount all his good years, they would be talking about the fact that we are only 28-10 over the last three years.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:25 am to Open Your Eyes
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But the reasons the 2007 team is referred to as lucky are exclusive to only that season.
Why?
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:26 am to Open Your Eyes
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No, that is not what you said. For like the 3rd time, this is what you said:
Or getting to play the #3 team in the polls because the BCS loved Oklahoma for some reason.
I did say that. But that doesn't diminish the 2003 team. I said luck doesn't diminish a championship. That has been my point the whole time.
LSU may have been Lucky in 2003 but we still did everything we had to do to win, and everyone else can screw off. Just like anyone who says the 2007 team was the luckiest ever can screw off.
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I didn't decide anything. It is what it is.
Are you going to get mad at me too if I said a guy that wins the lottery is more lucky than a guy that calls a coin flip correctly?
It is a subjective matter you are arguing vehemently. At some point you decided to yourself that the 2007 team was luckier than another team.
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But the reasons the 2007 team is referred to as lucky are exclusive to only that season.
The same could be said for a lot of championship teams. When has a championship team not won its division, or conference but gotten to play in the national championship? When has a national championship team have 2 unranked teams lose immediately after their loss, and have a third unbeaten team be ineligible for bowls?
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I don't recall stating any of that.
You don't recalling saying i diminished the 2003 championship? Because you did it in this post.
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Wait, so now it's lucky again? Correct me if I'm wrong, but your last official stance on this was "it's not luck, it's just football." You've flip flopped on the several times though, so I may not be completely up to date.
I was talking about WVU losing ti Pitt. They didn't lose that game because of luck, they lost because of football. They lost a game they played in. That isn't luck its football. However, LSU was lucky that WVU lost, because it was a forties event out of our control.
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Actually that's a cinder that you introduced in this thread. The first poster you responded to said miles was lucky for winning in 2007. You took that and ran with it being a dis, and now here we are.
Not true it was MF DOOM in the second post. The post i responded too originally.
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And you shite on 2003 to protect miles. You suck.
I didn't shite on it. I don't think pointing out that we were lucky in 2003 is shitting on it. My whole point is that luck is just part of a championship, but some people choose to ignore it in some years to serve their purposes.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:30 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:35 am to SammyTiger
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Just like anyone who says the 2007 team was the luckiest ever can screw off.
They were the luckiest
And your arguments in this thread are making you look like more of a moron than you normally do
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:36 am to kc8876
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They were the luckiest
And your arguments in this thread are making you look like more of a moron than you normally do
guess what screw off.
I think not winning your conference, not winning your division, but still getting to play in a a REMATCH in a championship game is pretty lucky. Luckier than UGA in 2007 and Luckier than Michigan in 2006.
But I may be bias because I am an actual LSU fan, and would rather support a championship my team one, than use it to bash a coach i don't like.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:40 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:43 am to SammyTiger
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This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 2:44 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:43 am to SammyTiger
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But I may be bias because I am an actual LSU fan, and would rather support a championship my team one, than use it to bash a coach i don't like.
Don't worry man, your boyfriend isn't going to Michigan
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:46 am to SammyTiger
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I said luck doesn't diminish a championship. That has been my point the whole time.
If you actually believe this then wtf are you arguing?
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Just like anyone who says the 2007 team was the luckiest ever can screw off.
Why? You just said luck doesn't diminish anything, so who cares if people call 2007 lucky?
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It is a subjective matter you are arguing vehemently. At some point you decided to yourself that the 2007 team was luckier than another team.
It's not subjective when there are measurable variables in play that are exclusive to that year. At that point it can be objectively compared to other years very easily.
I noticed you ignore the lottery vs coin flip debate too. Wonder why that is?
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The same could be said for a lot of championship teams. When has a championship team not won its division, or conference but gotten to play in the national championship? When has a national championship team have 2 unranked teams lose immediately after their loss, and have a third unbeaten team be ineligible for bowls?
How many losses did those Alabama teams have?
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You don't recalling saying i diminished the 2003 championship? Because you did it in this post.
No I definitely recall that, because you did.
What I don't recall is stating, or saying you stated, anything about Saban being less of a coach or the 2003 worth less.
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I was talking about WVU losing ti Pitt
And the fact that they were the first 2 loss team to play in the game. And the fact that they jumped 5 spots in the final poll, including over 3 teams that either won or were idle that weekend.
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Not true it was MF DOOM in the second post. The post i responded too originally
Which is exactly what I said. He said miles was lucky in 2007. You took that and ran with it as diminishing a championship, and now here we are. You were the one that introduced the concept of luck being a bad thing in this thread.
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I didn't shite on it. I don't think pointing out that we were lucky in 2003 is shitting on it.
But me pointing out why 2007 was lucky is shitting on it? Make up your mind here dude
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:47 am to saintforlife1
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LSU conference championships
During Miles' 10-year tenure - 3 Western Division Titles.
In the decade prior to Miles - 5 Western Division Titles.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:47 am to kc8876
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Don't worry man, your boyfriend isn't going to Michigan
You right I love Les Miles because i support 1 of 3 national championships LSU has won ever.
It isn't about whats right. That championship belongs to LSU. We shouldn't be tearing down our own accomplishments for any reason.
If you want to shite on it, change your fricking favorite team. Because you can't say you are supporter of LSU if you don't actually support LSU.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:54 am to SammyTiger
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If you want to shite on it, change your fricking favorite team. Because you can't say you are supporter of LSU if you don't actually support LSU.
I didn't shite on it, you just want me to so bad that it gives you a reason to defend miles and say how much of a super fan you are
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:55 am to GeorgeReymond
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Shula was 26-23 (53%) as their head coach.
If you subtract the vacated wins, Shula was 10-23 (30%).
Posted on 12/7/14 at 2:59 am to Open Your Eyes
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Why? You just said luck doesn't diminish anything, so who cares if people call 2007 lucky?
Like i said. there is a difference between saying we are lucky, and saying we are the luckiest of all time. MF DOOM said Les Miles was the luckiest coach to ever win a championship. That diminished the championship and its accomplishments to imply that it was luckier.
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It's not subjective when there are measurable variables in play that are exclusive to that year. At that point it can be objectively compared to other years very easily.
You weight the significant of these variables. Is 2 loses worse than not winning you division or conference? There isn't a numerical value to luck.
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No I definitely recall that, because you did.
What I don't recall is stating, or saying you stated, anything about Saban being less of a coach or the 2003 worth less.
do you know what the word diminish means?
"make (someone or something) seem less impressive or valuable"
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How many losses did those Alabama teams have?
and how many conference championships?
How many division championships?
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Which is exactly what I said. He said miles was lucky in 2007. You took that and ran with it as diminishing a championship, and now here we are. You were the one that introduced the concept of luck being a bad thing in this thread.
I think MF DOOM would tell you that wasn't a compliment. He was clearly trying to lessen Miles accomplishments.
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But me pointing out why 2007 was lucky is shitting on it? Make up your mind here dude
once again, not lucky, but luckiest. There is a difference.
All championships are lucky.
The luckiest is implied inherently to be the least deserved by accomplishment.
Also, MF DOOM was shitting on miles, and using the championship to do so. Defensing his application is assuming his position.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 3:00 am to kc8876
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I didn't shite on it, you just want me to so bad that it gives you a reason to defend miles and say how much of a super fan you are
Which team was luckier LSU 2007 Bama 2011.
Posted on 12/7/14 at 3:03 am to SammyTiger
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Which team was luckier LSU 2007 Bama 2011.
You know the answer, stop trying to bait me so you can talk about why you think bama was luckier
Posted on 12/7/14 at 3:08 am to kc8876
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You know the answer, stop trying to bait me so you can talk about why you think bama was luckier
Why wouldn't you defend LSU's championship over Bama's?
It is a completely subjective question open to really any answer.
So why not just pick your team.
Because you would rather hate on Miles than support LSU.
There you go
You were right. I knew the answer.
This post was edited on 12/7/14 at 3:11 am
Posted on 12/7/14 at 3:13 am to SammyTiger
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Why wouldn't you defend LSU's championship over Bama's?
It is a completely subjective question open to really any answer.
So why not just pick your team.
Because you would rather hate on Miles than support LSU.
There you go
You were right. I knew the answer.
That's exactly right, you nailed it. You're so smart, and such a better fan than me
Posted on 12/7/14 at 3:16 am to kc8876
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That's exactly right, you nailed it. You're so smart, and such a better fan than me
Say what you will. I know you type.
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