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re: Should not have tagged out the player walking to the dugout

Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by Mobiletiggah
Mobile Alabama
Member since Mar 2021
3241 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:54 pm to
I was screaming at the TV for our pitcher to go stand on the plate with the ball….it would have eventually resolved in our favor.
Posted by PillPusher
Gulf Coast
Member since Oct 2009
5857 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:56 pm to
I mean what was Collins supposed to do? His coach is yelling at him telling him to go tag the runner. He can’t just say “nah coach I’m good”. But he also should have been aware of the runner behind. As the catcher, 3b, and SS should have been also. Collins is by far not solely to blame here.
Posted by Sailin Tiger
Member since Jul 2014
1529 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

We have been winning on talent, alone…which I ain’t complaining about, but just a fact.


We have some dense MFers on here.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
47319 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:17 pm to
I didn’t watch the game last night, but if he was outside of home plate (the dirt) the runner should have been called out. You can’t just go stand in the outfield between 1/2/3 and make the opponents tag you to try and advance a runner behind you. You’re called out for leaving your designated running lane.

Same principle should have applied there.
Posted by Tiger Dominance
Bossier City, LA
Member since Oct 2007
499 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:27 pm to
I think that coach Johnson was pointing to the player that missed the plate and that prompted the catcher to go to tag him at the dugout. I think the better thing to do would not do anything and then challenge the call.
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
21500 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:29 pm to
Did we have any challenges left at that point? I know we had appealed one of the catches in CF but not sure about any other plays.
Posted by OystermanTiger
Jacksonville, Fl.
Member since Mar 2015
604 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:44 pm to
Definitely should have handled that play better but CJJ seemed to panic and that rippled throughout that play.

Biggest gaff was the one that set the whole turn of events in motion...#8 giving up on the play. I guess he thought he was already tagged out.

Like others have said, I'm just glad it was a mid-week game. Provides a good learning experience.
Posted by Mr. Hangover
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2003
34766 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 1:52 pm to
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We have been winning on talent, alone…


Didn’t we just have a pinch hit, walk off HR???


fricking clown
Posted by Double Down
Mayor of St. George
Member since Dec 2007
7493 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:26 pm to
BlueDog Tiger- I agree with you 100%. That said, my boss, a former 1st round Major League Baseball player insists the correct call was made. It’s weird hearing a pitcher agree with the home plate umpire.
Posted by Tiger1988
Houston
Member since May 2016
28137 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 2:40 pm to
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Actually, the umpire should have called him out when he committed to the dugout. Just leaving the dirt around the plate. Catcher does not to chase him, runner does not have to go all the way in the dugout. Umpire should have just called him out on the abandonment rule. He abandoned the play. That’s it.

They would have had to step on home plate and appeal according to this. Otherwise chase him to the dugout.
RUNNER MISSES HOME PLATE

Rules 5.09(b)(5), 5.09(b)(12), 5.09(c)(2):

Official Baseball Rule 5.09(b)(12) states that should a runner, in scoring, fail to touch home plate and continue on the way to the bench (making no effort to return), the runner may be put out by the fielder touching home plate and appealing to the umpire for a decision. However, this rule applies only where a runner is on the way to the bench and the catcher would be required to chase the runner. It does not apply to the ordinary play where the runner misses the plate and then immediately makes an effort to touch the plate before being tagged. In that case, the runner must be tagged. In such cases, base path rules still apply to the runner (i.e., he may not run more than three feet from the “base path” between him and home plate).

On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, it is preferable that the umpire make no signal on the play. As outlined in the previous paragraph, the runner must then be tagged if the runner attempts to return to the plate; if the runner continues on the way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal.

A runner may no longer return to touch a missed base—home plate or otherwise—after having entered the dugout. On a “No Touch/No Tag” play, the runner is permitted to return to touch home plate when the ball is dead as long as there are less than three outs and/or a following runner has not scored.

If two runners arrive at home plate about the same time and the first runner misses home plate but the second runner legally touches the plate, the first runner may not return to retouch home plate and may be put out on appeal. If the appeal on the runner is sustained for the third out of the inning, neither run scores. See Official Baseball Rule 5.09(c)(2) Approved Ruling (A).
This post was edited on 4/26/23 at 2:49 pm
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
60940 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:14 pm to
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If we do not tag the guy at the dugout and the other runner scores, the other runner is out for passing the guy at the dugout.



Unfortunately JJ was demanding the catcher to run over and tag him.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
23382 posts
Posted on 4/26/23 at 5:33 pm to
With real foresight the pitcher could have faked going over to tag the guy walking to the dugout just long enough for the 3rd base runner to commit and then throw it to the catcher to get the 3rd base runner. First guy was out when he entered the dugout and second guy out at home.
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