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re: Ryan Kucherak to portal

Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:18 am to
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:18 am to
Let’s dream until draft day.
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:19 am to
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the transfer portal is the ruination of college sports


I agree winning on the backs of Burrow (hesiman/NC), Daniels (Heisman), Skenes (NC), White (NC), Reese (NC) has totally sucked.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 6:20 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:21 am to
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Almost half of the 2023 recruiting class is gone. Players in bold are still on the roster


I mean, do you really need to look further than your own list? Most of the players in bold played significant roles on this team. All of the players not in bold played very little, or none.
Posted by TravisBRTiger
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:23 am to
I think this is just what it's going to be from now on. Like building a basketball team. Guys who dont play transfer. Nobody's going to wait their turn anymore.

Does it suck? Yes. Will it happen regardless of how I feel about it? Yes.

I think we have the right man in place to handle the new era of baseball (unlike some other sports).
Posted by Havoc
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:25 am to
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Probably closer to 1/3, but this is the result of immediate eligibility on transfers.

This is probably going to be the new normal. We may as well stop panicking over it. At least the top programs like us will be a transfer destination. The mid level programs will have it rough.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 6:30 am
Posted by Hold That Tiger 10
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:27 am to
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I think this is just what it's going to be from now on.


No doubt about it. The ones who stay and develop will be the exception, not the norm. If kids come in and don't contribute, nor see a clear path to playing time in year 2 will bolt. Luckily for us, LSU is an attractive spot to top players looking to transfer as well. It just is what it is now.

Outside of Neal, who left that had a clear path to playing time? And even with Neal, I don't think JJ would turn down a high caliber catcher just because Neal was on the team. He hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 6:44 am to
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This! I am hearing that there wasn’t much leadership on the team and Jay didn’t like some of the arrogance displayed by some players. One of which is gone already.
Neal is my guess.


After the season, Jay was praising Neal and talking about how important he was going to be for next year.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:17 am to
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I would think this has less to do with playing time last year, and more to do about playing time going forward.


I don't really care about losing any of the guys who've hit the portal this off-season, but this is something Jay is going to have to figure out how to balance moving forward. As are all coaches. I think, like Brian Kelly, would prefer to build his team his teams from high school players that he can develop over a couple of years and then add a handful of portal sprinkles to fill in holes or for absolute studs that you just have to take if you can get them. But baseball is not like football for guys that have professional aspirations. Their clock starts ticking faster as their draft year where they have the most leverage is their 3rd season (or 2nd for the draft-eligible sophomores). So if they don't see a path to regular playing time by their 2nd season, they need to start thinking about their futures.

Some may get to LSU and realize they don't have much of a professional future and are willing to stick around as "program guys" willing to do anything to hopefully be a part of a championship team (think Ben Nippolt or Jack Merifield). Others may realize they don't have much of a professional future and would rather spend the last 2-3 years of their baseball careers actually playing baseball instead of just practicing it. Football players can afford to redshirt and wait until their 3rd/4th/5th years to become starters and it won't affect their draft position. Again, the clock on baseball players is much different.

And those will typically be end of roster guys that shouldn't have a huge effect on the overall talent level of the team and can be replaced by incoming freshmen and some less highly touted portal guys. Where Jay might run into problems is if he grabs stud portal guys to come in and replace guys who think next season is "their year." And if he's having to give big NIL deals to get those guys here, that obviously could cause some friction with the guys who came here without those big bags. He's a great recruiter/salesman and tells guys how great they are, how he can develop them, and what his vision for them is. And I doubt that vision he's selling them is "come to LSU, redshirt, and you may become the next Jack Merifield or Ben Nippolt by your 4th year."
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 7:21 am
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:20 am to
But you have to take some of those portal guys if you can get them. I don't think Jay is every going to just "punt" on a season for the sake of development and wait until the next season when that team is more ready to compete. It's not in his DNA. You only get so many bites at the apple, and he's not willing to waste any of them. He's going to do everything in his power to have a roster that he thinks can compete to make it to Omaha every single season.

And it's gonna require him to be very diplomatic in how he handles the egos/personalites of his current players along with the players he's recruiting, whether out of high school, JUCO, or through the portal, because he doesn't want to get the reputation of "lying" to guys just to get them here. Or making promises and not following through with them.

I'm not saying he's doing that--he, like all coaches, are having to figure out how to best navigate this new landscape in college baseball. The SEC is already cut-throat (see the A&M/UT debacle) and is only getting more-so with the additions of UT and OU. LSU is still considered the most prestigious program in the country and the SEC. But even though we won the NC just a little over a year ago, the gap is closing. You can obviously win at a ton of SEC programs now, and coaches will use just about anything possible to negatively recruit against us if Jay gives them even the tiniest reason to. Even if it's not "fair" relative to his real actions, if it can be spun negatively it will.

I know this was a typical tl:dr Hot Carl post (I actually divided into 2 ) , but I just want to make it clear that I am not criticizing Jay at all, I wouldn't rather have any other coach in America, and think he's going to wind up figuring this out as well as or better than anyone. Just pointing out some potential pitfalls that he may need to try to avoid. That he may wind up having to make some short-term sacrifices that are in the best long-term interest of the program.
Posted by msutiger
Houston
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:38 am to
This is the ramifications of hitting the portal as hard as LSU has. Don’t produce immediately? You have to assume you are going to be replaced by the next shiny transfer portal toy.

And I know what comes next, “They should fight for it.” But they need reps to get better and you can’t blame them for trying to find those reps
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:40 am to
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This is the ramifications of hitting the portal as hard as LSU has.


We had 2 and sometimes 3 portal starting position players last year.

We had 1 the year prior.

The degree to which LSU has hit the portal is overblown due to the names we've pulled. Kentucky, Arkansas, A&M, and Georgia have been much more active in the portal than LSU.
Posted by BayTiger13
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:53 am to
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This one sucks. He’s tearing it up in summer ball.


I wouldn't really say that. He had a stretch of 4 games he was really hot that inflated his numbers which is part of baseball. Besides that he hasn't been doing great and is hitting .283 with a 30%K rate. He doesn't have a ton of power so you really don't want to see a K rate that high on a player that isn't a power hitter.
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 7:58 am to
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Outside of Neal, who left that had a clear path to playing time? And even with Neal, I don't think JJ would turn down a high caliber catcher just because Neal was on the team. He hasn't shown an ability to stay healthy.



I think the reason Neal left was he didnt have a clear path to starting he thought he had and thats what he was wanting assurances on. The Josh Jordan tweet about wanting promises instead of competing and such came out right as Neal hit the portal and I dont think that was by mistake.

This all despite every catcher leaving besides him, clearly Jay and Co. dont know if he can be an every day catcher even with Priester and Arrambide coming in. They dont want to make promises that potentially hurts the team in the long run.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 8:00 am
Posted by thunderbird1100
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:01 am to
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After the season, Jay was praising Neal and talking about how important he was going to be for next year.



Jay does this with a ton of players publicly, doesnt mean there aren't different conversations behind the scenes. It's pretty clear Neal wanted promises about playing time at catcher going into next season and the staff wasnt willing to give that considering his past here.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 8:02 am
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:15 am to
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We had 2 and sometimes 3 portal starting position players last year.



No need to apologize for that. But we also had Holman and Jump. You absolutely HAVE to take those guys, but I doubt Griffin Herring expected to still be coming out of the pen this year, even if he was the best reliever in the SEC. Obviously, I wasn't privy to their conversations, but I'm sure Jay's vision for Herring out of high school was that he'd be in the weekend rotation by his draft-eligible SO season. Now, we NEEDED him there this year, so no need to apologize for that either.

But if Herring signs (I don't think he will, I think he comes back), it could be because he's not 100% sure he does wind up in the '25 weekend rotation, no matter what Jay is telling him now. Jay may have every intention of Herring being the Friday night guy right now. But he had every intention of Hurd being the Friday night guy last year, too. If Anderson takes the huge jump I think he will and becomes a weekend guy, Shores comes back better than ever and is able to extend as a starter and becomes another weekend guy.

And maybe a portal guy proves to have more pitches that allows him to get through the lineup and extend more than Herring is able to, and HE becomes that 3rd weekend guy, then Herring winds up being in the same role next year as this. That may be what's in the best interest of the '25 LSU baseball team--which is where Jay's obligation has to prioritize--but it probably wouldn't be in Griffin Herring's best interest. If he is just going to have the same role, he might as well have signed this year.

Again, I am not criticizing Jay at all, and think he will figure out the right balance. I think the fear is that he is such a dynamic recruiter and pumps guys up so much to get them here, that what he's telling them out of high school, JUCO, or even at LSU to retain them, might not line up with the reality of how it winds up playing out. Which is normal and happens every year to every coach and team. I just don't want him to get the rep in recruiting circles that he doesn't follow through on his promises. And that fear may be completely unfounded--maybe every recruit and their family these days are more savvy and know how the game is played. I'm just not plugged into that part of the game, so I have no idea.
Posted by ProjectP2294
West St. Louis County
Member since May 2007
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Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:22 am to
I was sticking to the position player side because its just a whole different animal than the pitching. I think we're still making up the deficit we were in with the staff when Jay got here because we're stuck in a portal cycle with it.

To this point we haven't been stuck in a portal cycle on the position player side, but it seems like that could be starting up next season.

ETA: I also don't think you can ever really get away from the portal for pitchers.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 8:25 am
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
20980 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:35 am to
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agree winning on the backs of Burrow (hesiman/NC), Daniels (Heisman), Skenes (NC), White (NC), Reese (NC) has totally sucked.


Thought Burrow was a grad transfer; not a conventional portal type?
Posted by TigerCub
Team Boxtard
Member since May 2006
22597 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:37 am to
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Thought Burrow was a grad transfer; not a conventional portal type?


He was. He would have been able to transfer even without the portal.
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
34567 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 8:58 am to
Is anyone else worried about hitting?

I was for sure lsu would bring in at least one maybe 2 big known bats.

And I'm a fan of yamin.
This post was edited on 7/3/24 at 8:59 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
298922 posts
Posted on 7/3/24 at 9:00 am to
Really isnt time for development anymore. Produce or move on.

Sucks but thats the current pro model.
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