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re: RPO with Nuss
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 10/22/24 at 1:45 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I agree. My issue isn't that he doesn't have a PHD in pass coverage. My issue is that he is acting like he does while simultaneously failing 101
This. What we know today will be obsolete in a few years. The game is ever changing. Just funny watching posters be so wrong and so confident in their incorrect understanding.
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:16 pm to redfishfan
Just because you don't like the terminology I used; doesn't mean I was wrong. Some of us actually have played at higher than a Pee Wee level.
The basis of all defenses comes from those incredibly easy to understand defensive packages. The zone schemes within those change to fit certain pass concepts or to bring more coverage to one side of the field.
Quarter Quarter Half is simply saying you are going to take one DB/Safety or whatever YOU chose to call it and have 2 guys cover 1/4 of the field and one guy covering 1/2. While you can call it cover 6, which it is, it's a churched-up Cover 3, in which the zones are moved to better fit for one side of the field. Thats all it is. Allows your solo DB to play more bump and run or be more aggressive, while still maintaining a safety over the top.
The basis of all defenses comes from those incredibly easy to understand defensive packages. The zone schemes within those change to fit certain pass concepts or to bring more coverage to one side of the field.
Quarter Quarter Half is simply saying you are going to take one DB/Safety or whatever YOU chose to call it and have 2 guys cover 1/4 of the field and one guy covering 1/2. While you can call it cover 6, which it is, it's a churched-up Cover 3, in which the zones are moved to better fit for one side of the field. Thats all it is. Allows your solo DB to play more bump and run or be more aggressive, while still maintaining a safety over the top.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:25 pm to BadatBourre
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Just because you don't like the terminology I used; doesn't mean I was wrong.
It does though. Terminology matters when you are talking about these things.
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Some of us actually have played at higher than a Pee Wee level.
Yea I'm sure Pewee teams use Cover 6 and Palms alot.
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Quarter Quarter Half is simply saying you are going to take one DB/Safety or whatever YOU chose to call it and have 2 guys cover 1/4 of the field and one guy covering 1/2.
More simply put you are playing cover 4 to one side and cover 2 to another which made you show your ignorance. You can call it a churched up cover 3 all you want but cover 3 isn't anything like Cover 6 except for the fact that you have 3 guys defending deep. The underneath coverages are different and the specifics of the 3 deep areas are different. Cover 3 would be good against run type formations. Cover 6 is good against trips. Cover 6 isn't good against run heavy type formations because now I don't have a force player to the weak side. Cover 3 isn't good against trips because I can't help the single WR with a safety. MAJOR differences. Remember you are the one that tried to call other people out and were corrected not the other way around.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:31 pm to redfishfan
yeah for simplicity i am just used to calling anything over the top the "cover" number then saying man or zone or combo underneath when referencing 1, 2, or 3 over the top for simplistic effect. obviously you do not have enough men to play man under with 4 over the top whereas you do with 1, 2, or 3( 3 depending on amount of lineman). but like you said cover 4 is meant as a zone anyway from high to low.
yes all these damn quarters coverages are nuts. it seems like many are simply reads and can be man or zone depending what the receiver does.
not just your old basic cover 4 deep zones
and a bunch look like and could be cover 2 or 2 man from the get go. can easily fool you.
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yes all these damn quarters coverages are nuts. it seems like many are simply reads and can be man or zone depending what the receiver does.
not just your old basic cover 4 deep zones
and a bunch look like and could be cover 2 or 2 man from the get go. can easily fool you.
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:39 pm to BadatBourre
yeah many use different terminology and it makes it confusing. agreed.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 2:48 pm to redfishfan
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like Cover 6 except for the fact that you have 3 guys defending deep
Which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS ARGUEMENT. Remember, this started about BASIC defensive concepts.
quote:Like I've said multiple times, zone coverages will change to stop different concepts. Why are you arguing this?
The underneath coverages are different and the specifics of the 3 deep areas are different
quote:You also said you can run Cover 2 and Cover 4 on opposing sides of the field. Thats not the case at all, it's just a different zone coverage. "Remember, terminology matters."
Remember you are the one that tried to call other people out and were corrected not the other way around.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:07 pm to BadatBourre
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You also said you can run Cover 2 and Cover 4
Jesus Christ. Cover 6 is exactly this. To the strong side you play it exactly like cover 4. To the weak side you play it exactly like cover 2. This isn’t hard my friend. If you take a picture of one side of the field on cover 4 it will be exactly like the strong side of cover 6. If you take a picture of one side of the field on cover 2 it will look exactly like the weak side of cover 6. How you can’t grasp this is hilarious.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:08 pm to mon_trell79
So you wanting Collins?
Posted on 10/22/24 at 3:10 pm to Fat Bastard
Been a fun discussion for sure!
Posted on 10/22/24 at 5:48 pm to PenguinPubes
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first play against bama he is gunna pull the ball and house it for 80
Shades of Jordan Jefferson vs Tenn, 2010.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:37 pm to BadatBourre
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Which is the ENTIRE POINT OF THIS ARGUEMENT. Remember, this started about BASIC defensive concepts.
Nah.
It started because the other guy pointed out that there are very complex coverage schemes in today’s game, making it difficult for many people to understand exactly what’s going on, and you went on a smartass tirade about how wrong he was because you didn’t like the terminology he used.
The fact is that there are plenty of coaches who refer to these as “split field” or “combination” coverages where it’s cover 2 on one side and quarters on the other. Does every coach describe/teach it that way? Probably not. But it’s quite common - certainly common enough that you look like a fool for being a condescending a-hole about it.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:10 pm to mon_trell79
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I think at some point Nuss has to run the ball if it’s available on the RPO. Defenses will start crashing down every time they do a RPO until Nuss can prove other wise. Just my opinion.
And yet another person who does not understand the difference between a RPO and a Zone read
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:14 pm to redfishfan
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Been a fun discussion for sure!
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:49 pm to Itwasacleantackle
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This exact thread has been started 1000 times now. And rightfully so.
And it has been explained 1000 times that an RPO is not the same as a read option.........
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