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re: RPO with Nuss
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:04 am to misey94
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:04 am to misey94
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I think Air Force is the last team really running a flexbone anymore. Army and Navy have both transitioned to running out of the shotgun and both throw the ball more than in the past.
all of them are still running a modern flexibone-ish offenses with very few passes..
Air Force: 14 passes / 52 Rushes per game (78% run)
Navy: 13 passes / 46 rushes per game (77% run)
Army: 8 passes / 54 Rushes per game (87% run)
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Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:21 am to mon_trell79
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Nuss has to run the ball if it’s available on the RPO.
Oh boy...
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:41 am to RobbBobb
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No. It does not. If the QB runs, its because the play got blown up
An RPO is defined by its blocking. If he hands it off, then the OLine releases to block downfield. Same with the WRs. If he options to the pass, the WRs CANNOT block, and the OLine has to remain in pass protect
This isn't even close to right. An RPO can be anything where there is an option to run or throw the ball. For example, with Daniels last year we ran a particular RPO where the QB or RB could run the ball or Daniels could pass it to Mason Taylor in the flats. We also used Nabers on the flat route as well.
The RPO I'm talking about is a split zone RPO. If we get a favorable look to run the split zone JD would just hand it off. If the end worked down giving a pull read then JD would pull and get to his next read. If the force defender attacked JD he would throw it Taylor. If that defender stayed with Taylor, JD would run it.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 9:42 am
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:44 am to Fat Bastard
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that is NOT how it is intended or run
good grief you people.
RPO's can 100% include a QB run but they generally don't. RPO's can also be presnap or postsnap reads.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:47 am to redfishfan
Nuss is setting up a 200 yard running day in the National Championship
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:51 am to redfishfan
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RPO's can 100% include a QB run but they generally don't. RPO's can also be presnap or postsnap reads.
While an RPO CAN include a QB run, the zone read (or read option) NEVER has a pass option. So when OP says Nuss needs to keep it on the RPO its clear that they mean zone read and doesn't know ball.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:59 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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While an RPO CAN include a QB run, the zone read (or read option) NEVER has a pass option. So when OP says Nuss needs to keep it on the RPO its clear that they mean zone read and doesn't know ball.
You are generally correct. Although some teams will tag a spot pass with their zone read concepts to add another layer. I haven't seen LSU do except for in their split zone read rpo game which is slightly different.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:06 am to misey94
Posters shouldn't be able to post or respond to any football topic without being able to identify RPO, Zone Read, PA, Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4 and Cover 0.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:44 am to BadatBourre
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Posters shouldn't be able to post or respond to any football topic without being able to identify RPO, Zone Read, PA, Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4 and Cover 0.
I agree to a point but identifying coverages is a harder ask than you think. Today's defenses rarely sit in a base coverage. There are usually match principles. So you could be in cover 4 but based on the type of cover 4 called a corner could be in man to man. You can be in cover 4 on one side and over 2 on the other. I agree with your general premise but the complexity of today's coverages would give most people issues with understanding.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:04 am to redfishfan
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RPO's can 100% include a QB run but they generally don't.
that is all we are saying. in the basic sense. one read, two options.
not 2 reads 3 options.
yes some Qb's have done that like JD5
basically ran some RPR option
run pass run 3 option ball.
This post was edited on 10/22/24 at 11:07 am
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:05 am to redfishfan
This board would be pretty empty if everyone had to pass an X and O test.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:15 am to FightinTigersDammit
some type of litmus test would be good tho.
some posters enjoy staying football ignorant and do not even try or watch any film to learn.
i will bet most here do not even know WTF a counter trap is, a counter lead, counter trey, smash route concept, mesh route concept, a 9 route, or a 3 tech or a B gap.
some posters enjoy staying football ignorant and do not even try or watch any film to learn.
i will bet most here do not even know WTF a counter trap is, a counter lead, counter trey, smash route concept, mesh route concept, a 9 route, or a 3 tech or a B gap.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:17 am to FightinTigersDammit
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This board would be pretty empty if everyone had to pass an X and O test
shite, just having to have an above average IQ would clear this place out completely.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:18 am to Bring Da Wood
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Nuss pulled the ball and ran it on a read option against Arky
I was 99.9% certain of this myself. But the fact that it took this long to even be brought up had me legit questioning whether or not I was dreaming instead of actually seeing it during the game.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:20 am to Fat Bastard
The Redskins were running the counter trey in the 80s with Riggins. Anyone still doing that?
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:22 am to redfishfan
Combination coverage is a thing
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:22 am to redfishfan
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Posters shouldn't be able to post or respond to any football topic without being able to identify RPO, Zone Read, PA, Cover 2, Cover 3, Cover 4 and Cover 0.
I agree to a point but identifying coverages is a harder ask than you think. Today's defenses rarely sit in a base coverage. There are usually match principles. So you could be in cover 4 but based on the type of cover 4 called a corner could be in man to man. You can be in cover 4 on one side and over 2 on the other. I agree with your general premise but the complexity of today's coverages would give most people issues with understanding.
yeah it gets real in depth. cover 4 can look (on the outisde DB's) like man press or off man and cover 2 with 2 safeties. then once snapped they bail deep in staying just in their quarter of the field. instead of just staying in pure man with where that receiver goes.
cover 1, 2, 3, 4 can be man under or zone under or a combo coverage. zone in middle and man on outside.
we all know what cover 0 is and does whether you blitz or just double team with it.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:23 am to mon_trell79
I agree that Nuss needs to run it himself when necessary, but that is not what you are discussing. He also needs to make much better decisions in general.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:24 am to redfishfan
Oh man......You would be the first person without posting privileges.
All Cover 1, 2, 3, 4, and 0 are how many safeties fall back into zone coverage generally playing deep. Cover 0 is USUALLY a straight up man, with a heavy blitz. Some teams have aligned as Cover 0, and then fallen back into coverage. Cover 1 is one high safety and can be man or zone. Cover 2 is 2 high safeties. Once again, man or zone. Cover 3 is 3 High safeties. 95% of the time zone. Cover 4 is 4 high safeties. 100% zone unless you do some exotic blitz leaving someone uncovered.
You CAN NOT have Cover 4 on half the field and Cover 2 on the other side. Yes, there are ZONES inside of these coverages that do change.
All Cover 1, 2, 3, 4, and 0 are how many safeties fall back into zone coverage generally playing deep. Cover 0 is USUALLY a straight up man, with a heavy blitz. Some teams have aligned as Cover 0, and then fallen back into coverage. Cover 1 is one high safety and can be man or zone. Cover 2 is 2 high safeties. Once again, man or zone. Cover 3 is 3 High safeties. 95% of the time zone. Cover 4 is 4 high safeties. 100% zone unless you do some exotic blitz leaving someone uncovered.
You CAN NOT have Cover 4 on half the field and Cover 2 on the other side. Yes, there are ZONES inside of these coverages that do change.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 11:42 am to redfishfan
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An RPO is defined by its blocking. If he hands it off, then the OLine releases to block downfield.
the OL always treats each RPo as a RUN. it is explained in the link. this is why the PASS OPTION if that is the read has to be executed quickly before they get too far downfield. the OL does not know what the read will be by the Qb.
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The RPO I'm talking about is a split zone RPO. If we get a favorable look to run the split zone JD would just hand it off. If the end worked down giving a pull read then JD would pull and get to his next read. If the force defender attacked JD he would throw it Taylor. If that defender stayed with Taylor, JD would run it.
yup. the triple option horizontal RPOS denbrock ran which i alluded to earlier. different reads than a vertical RPO.
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