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re: Returning pitchers

Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:24 am to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68289 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:24 am to
quote:

Gervase was expected to
Stay.


No he wasnt.
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:28 am to
quote:

Gervase was expected to
Stay.


Nope.

quote:

Creighton guy was a possibility but likely to go to LSU.


Nope.

quote:

Rez was 50/50.


Nope.

quote:

Face the facts.


You haven't posted any.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:36 am to
Gervase got more attention from scouts this year than any other LSU player available to the draft. That may sound shocking but when you realize that he was the one who scouts knew the least about, it makes sense. His stock skyrocketed and it wasn’t going to improve as a backend reliever and being 23 next year. He was more likely to go than stay. Reyz was in the same boat but he was already well known. I’m not going to pretend to know about the Creighton pitcher’s plan or history with scouts.

On a positive note, you had the perfect reply to Naptime so you get a good star.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 9:37 am
Posted by ccarrone0313
Member since Jul 2021
1426 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:41 am to
wrong. Gervase was expected to leave and the surprise was that he was staying. So later on getting drafted and leaving was no surprise.
Posted by ccarrone0313
Member since Jul 2021
1426 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 9:42 am to
You have not presented a single fact in this thread.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7539 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:19 am to
quote:

I’m not going to pretend to know about the Creighton pitcher’s plan or history with scouts.


I saw a post on an Arkansas board before the Draft. They claimed draft eligible Creighton players were told to look to the portal for a better leverage opportunity.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8891 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:24 am to
quote:

Gervase was expected to
Stay. Creighton guy was a possibility but likely to go to LSU. Rez was 50/50. Face the facts.




All 3 were 50/50. and it is offset by the fact that we are getting 2 freshman pitchers that it seemed were as good as gone.
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:27 am to
quote:

Gervase was expected to
Stay. Creighton guy was a possibility but likely to go to LSU. Rez was 50/50. Face the facts.
don't be upset by the 23 downvotes to 0 upvotes. These are many alters of 1/2 posters here who love being an alpha on "discussion board"(ikr) and the others think the are baseball God's when they are not. I happen to agree with your assessment(correction before i get t.d. cancelled))except for Tebrake. You'll find that many here don't have an actual real clue.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 10:36 am
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:28 am to
quote:

All 3 were 50/50
False. Where do you people get this shite?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:30 am to
quote:

I happen to agree with your accessment except for Tebrake.
The frick is accessment?
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:31 am to
Tebrake was gone, the other 2 many thought were at lsu next year. Both needed another year to settle in imo. Again maybe the money would not have been there next year as usual.
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:33 am to
Assessment lol. Excuse me for being from the south. I'm not a Denham Springs Superstar ;).
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:36 am to
quote:

the other 2 many thought were at lsu next year.


This is absolutely false. When Reyzelman was recruited it was a known 1 year thing. When Gervase emerged early in the season throwing strikes, his draft stock shot up and it was never assumed he'd be back.

ETA: Whether you think they should have stayed is not what is being discussed. It's a stupid opinion, but who gives a shite. The actual consensus opinion among the people that actually know anything was that they were going pro. To say that was not the opinion of those in the know is patently false.
This post was edited on 7/22/22 at 10:38 am
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7539 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:36 am to
quote:

You'll find that many here don't have an actual real clue.


So Jay Johnson himself saying Gervase and Reyzelman were gone before the draft is “not having a clue.”

Do you honestly understand how leverage and the MLB Draft work? People with no leverage have no negotiability. You see them go undrafted and sign UDFA deals.. like Hilliard and Fontenot.
Posted by Required
Member since Mar 2022
251 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:41 am to
quote:

Jay Johnson
he posts here? Last time I check I was talking about the rant.

You should quit using the leverage story all over the place. We know we know.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Excuse me for being from the south. I'm not a Denham Springs Superstar ;).
1) do you mean South America?
2) I’m not from DS.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
84943 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:49 am to
Real question. Are you trolling?
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
70079 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:49 am to
quote:

he posts here? Last time I check I was talking about the rant.


This doesn't make sense. You're saying you're right because you use your opinion to justify stating that people didn't think those pitchers would leave but the people who cited Jay Johnson's statement as evidence are wrong?

That's what you're going with?
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7539 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:55 am to
quote:

ProjectP2294


It’s truly comical at this point the stance some of these people are taking..

The Rant supposedly doesn’t know anything, but when they quote our damn HC it’s not a credible source to quote on The Rant.
Posted by Tigercoop40
Northwest Arkansas
Member since Apr 2006
7539 posts
Posted on 7/22/22 at 10:57 am to
quote:

You should quit using the leverage story all over the place. We know we know.


Maybe when people finally begin to comprehend it and stop posting stupid opinions others will stop posting about leverage. It’s the key element to draft risks for the MLB Draft.

You saying not to use leverage as an argument is as asinine as saying bring a knife to a gun fight.
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