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re: Reason for Nussmeier Alternating with Daniels
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:10 pm to jp4lsu
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:10 pm to jp4lsu
The stage is set for a few things to happen. The offense runs very well with Nuss and he gets rid of the ball fast.
However we are not good enough to live with the turnovers because of throwing ill advised passing into coverage. If he can mature and stop doing this, and Daniels doesn't improve, Nuss would pass JD up. It also shows JD how well the offense runs if he would be more decisive on his throws. If JD is able to get rid of the ball quickly on certain plays and throw downfield on others, he should keep his job.
We have outstanding talent at receivers, but have to utilize it to spread out the field. At the end of last year, teams were playing up close knowing JD wasn't going to throw deep and taking away much of his ability to run.
However we are not good enough to live with the turnovers because of throwing ill advised passing into coverage. If he can mature and stop doing this, and Daniels doesn't improve, Nuss would pass JD up. It also shows JD how well the offense runs if he would be more decisive on his throws. If JD is able to get rid of the ball quickly on certain plays and throw downfield on others, he should keep his job.
We have outstanding talent at receivers, but have to utilize it to spread out the field. At the end of last year, teams were playing up close knowing JD wasn't going to throw deep and taking away much of his ability to run.
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:16 pm to timlan2057
quote:this is correct. The OP is WAAAY overthinking things.
CBK treated the game like a scrimmage. No more, no less. Three different guys kicked extra points. No subliminal messages about quarterbacks. JD5 is the unquestioned starter.
The Purdue game was meaningless, especially with all the opt outs. When we dominated from the beginning, it was clear we'd roll. That allowed Kelly to put in some second and third stringers. If the game was tight and Daniels was healthy, Daniels would've played the entire game.
Nothing more to analyze here.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:27 pm to VictoryHill
The running game would open up because defenses have to back off more to respect the pass so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. It wouldn't be as good as with JD since his zone reads hide a less talented backfield but they're still good enough to have an effective run game with a QB who stretches defenses.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:29 pm to PureBlood
What does that have to do with him being 100% or not? He didn't have his full running ability and it couldn't be anymore evident when he turned corners or got in the open field. He was much slower to the corners and his open field speed got him caught behind from fking Purdue defenders. You think if he was 100% they could catch him? If he was 100% he would've got multiple more TDs especially the long run in the open field.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:31 pm to matsuflex
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Having a real passing game opens up the running game.
So does having a QB that has the ability to take off via scrambling or read options plays. You think Josh Williams and Noah Cain are NEARLY as effective without Daniels in the backfield?
This isn't 1970 where QBs are passers only. Daniels brings more to the offense than Nussmieir does.
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Nuss has no hesitation to burn them deep if they stack the box.
While also throwing into double and triple coverage repeatedly and turning the ball over. Daniels had 3 picks all season to Nussmeier's 4 on 300 MORE passes. I don't want my QB turning the ball over.
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It’s not a good thing for JD to be the whole offense!!!
Never said it was. But have you considered he was the whole offense because he had to be? That our RB room is pretty meh, we had a young OL, and no consistent WR? That we needed our QB to be the offense because we simply weren't that good everywhere else?
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That’s why the offense was very average this year.
450+ yards/game and 34.5 points/game? Average? Our offense was above average overall. And we were young on the OL with WR trying to find their way.
That Burrow/Clyde/Chase/Jefferson/Marshall shite got some of y'all MF minds warped.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:36 pm to deuce985
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but they're still good enough to have an effective run game with a QB who stretches defenses.
There have been several data science studies that show that good plays simply mean more good plays and that running to set up the pass or passing to set up the run isn't really a thing.
This isn't 1970 anymore, pops. Offenses have evolved.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 1:37 pm to jp4lsu
quote:Last year’s opt out says otherwise
Nuss is a competitor and might be willing to take that challenge.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:00 pm to atltiger6487
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If the game was tight and Daniels was healthy, Daniels would've played the entire game.
This isn't true. Didn't Nuss come in on the 2nd series or was it the 3rd? The plan was obvious for Nuss to come in from the beginning.
The plan wasn't lets get a 5 TD lead and bring in Nuss.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:02 pm to MrJimBeam
quote:
He earned it in the second half against Georgia
Earned what?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:06 pm to rds dc
Maybe, but I doubt it.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:13 pm to jp4lsu
quote:
CBK wants both of them on the team in case one is injured and if one is struggling. There is no other reason for CBK to alternate series with them other than to promote competition, team vision, alignment, and show them that the best QB will be starter for 2023, so get prepared and ready. It is the first thing I thought when Nuss came in on the 2nd series...."CBK is opening the QB competition for 2023 right now".
I did not read the rest of that diatribe but I agree with this take. BK tried everything he could short of benching JD this season in order to get him to open up his passing game. JD did have flashes of improvement but failed to keep it up.
In playing Nuss in the bowl game he threw the gauntlet down. BK did not have that option prior to the UGA game and he is using it as leverage on both players.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:27 pm to SelaTiger
quote:Pretty sure Nuss told BK he woke up feeling the cheesiest.
Cheez-it called the NCAA and asked if they could make sure Nuss gets some playing time.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:45 pm to Melvin
quote:
Last year’s opt out says otherwise
Brad Davis said he took that decision out of Nuss’ hands so he would not have to make that hard choice.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:51 pm to deuce985
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JD even with all his flaws still gives LSU the best chance to win because he runs an efficient offense
With 1 game left in the regular season we were
-70th in passing yards per attempt -107th in yards per completion.
-68th in yards per play
-66th in points per play
With that said he does give lsu the best chance to win probably. We don't beat bama without him for sure. Just wish he wasn't so up and down.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 3:01 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 2:55 pm to VictoryHill
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This isn't 1970 where QBs are passers only. Daniels brings more to the offense than Nussmieir does.
Daniels is a run first qb. There are no run first qbs winning titles in the sec of nfl.
quote:
450+ yards/game and 34.5 points/game? Average? Our offense was above average overall.
With 1 game left in the regular season we were
-70th in passing yards per attempt -107th in yards per completion.
-68th in yards per play
-66th in points per play
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:00 pm to MrJimBeam
quote:
He earned it in the second half against Georgia
I agree with this statement. He deserves some playing time. I’m not convinced he deserves to be the starter yet, but I’m not convinced he shouldn’t be either. Personally unless he or JD really separate themselves from the other one, I hope we play both equally next year.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:01 pm to jp4lsu
Because we need them both next year. Badly.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:03 pm to J2thaROC
quote:
agree with this statement. He deserves some playing time. I’m not convinced he deserves to be the starter yet, but I’m not convinced he shouldn’t be either. Personally unless he or JD really separate themselves from the other one, I hope we play both equally next year.
I just want more bama and florida JD. That guy could win the Heisman
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:29 pm to Rickdaddy4188
ypg 14 games
29- TCU
30- LSU
eta: Finish strong
29- TCU
30- LSU
eta: Finish strong
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 1/4/23 at 3:32 pm to DeafVallyBatnR
quote:
At ND CBK was not shy about pulling a QB that was not doing things very well.
Everyone says this yet he did not pull Daniels against Arky or A&M.
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