re: Really think about Les Miles. And how amazing LSU won despite him.

Haven’t seen anyone chime in regarding Saban’s recruiting strategy, which directly targeted Louisiana’s top talent and compounded Alabama’s talent advantage over LSU. That alone woulda, coulda, shoulda given Miles and LSU another 2 or 3 wins over Saban and likely NC’s from 2010 and beyond! To be honest, Miles may still be coaching at LSU with half a dozen NC’s if NOT for Saban’s in roads to Lousiana and some of our sell out high school coaches giving him the ability to poach Louisiana’s top talent!

As I said earlier in this thread, I'm amazed he did and somewhat surprised he did as well as he did....but he did and there is a bottom line to that one has to give him some credit for.
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This is my perspective as well.

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Fisher didn't last as long as Miles.

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Its pretty much accepted across all boards that youre clueless, but Miles was done with football in 2020. Jimbo not until 2023

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RobbBobb, you ignorant slut.

First, I was talking about Miles at LSU vs. Fisher at FSU; their best head coaching gigs. Miles lasted longer than Fisher. Not only that, but Fisher drove FSU into the ground while Miles left a great program, players, and coaching staff for Orgeron.

Second, if you want to be proven to be the dumbass you are, Miles was a head coach from 2001 to 2020. Fisher was a head coach from 2010 to 2022. So, you know, do the math, and go frick yourself.

Third, Fisher was a head coach two times. He drove both of those successful programs into the ground.

Fourth, Fisher was given tens of millions of dollars to buy talent at A&M. He used that money to buy all of the talent he could buy. He took all of that talent and shite the bed. He could not win anything, not even the Texas Bowl last year. He went 5-7 and 7-6, worse than any year for Miles at LSU.

Fifth, Fisher was paid $77.5 million to stop coaching. Damn that's a lot of money to leave and stay away from a program.

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* When Miles left LSU he went 3-18 at Kansas

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Yeah, unlike FSU and Texas A&M with Fisher, Kansas sucked before Miles arrived. Miles' recruiting set up Kansas to be successful when he left which they are now.

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* When Jimbo left FSU, he went 45-25 while playing in the SECw

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Fisher took a successful program, drove it into the ground despite tens of millions in NIL support, and was paid $77.5 million to leave. Fisher is a legend at Texas A&M. It'll be a long time before they stop talking about him. Hell, it'll be a long time before they stop paying him to not coach there.

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* Gundy took over at OSU as Miles asst, he was FAR more effective than Miles (.500 in conference); Gundy (.618)

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Before Miles arrived, OSU had been to one bowl game in twelve years. That bowl game was four years before Miles arrived. After Miles first year, Okie State went to a bowl game every year that Miles was there. Gundy took over from there. So now he's 11.8% more efficient . . . in conference?

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So lets stop pretending that Miles wasnt benefiting from coaches that were MUCH better than him wherever he coached: Saban, Jimbo, Gundy, All of these are facts, not some emotional reaction to people being right about Miles' proven inabilities and perversions

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Every coach benefits from good assistants. Every coach has difficulties when they don't have good assistants. Saban, Jimbo, and Gundy benefitted from good assistants.

You want facts? While Miles was head coach at LSU:
LSU had double digit wins in 7 of 11 seasons.
LSU was ranked in the Top Five at some point during 9 of 11 seasons.
LSU was ranked in the Top Ten at some point during 11 of 11 seasons.
LSU finished in the Top Twenty in 9 of 11 seasons.
LSU won the National Championship and played for second one.

Miles' three biggest problems were:

(1) Miles coached in the same division of the SEC as Saban. Miles had to beat Saban just to get to the SECCG, let alone play for the BCSCG or make a playoff spot.

(2) Saban had been a wildly successful head coach at LSU just before Miles arrived, so Miles had to coach against Alabama Saban and the LSU ghost of Saban. It's never easy to follow the man.

(3) During his four years at LSU, Sagan had created strong relationships with Louisiana coaches and had set up a significant recruiting network. Saban took significant players away from LSU and added them to Alabama.

Even with all of that, Miles was arguably two plays away from three National Championships. (OSU missed field goal; Yeldon screen pass).

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from 2005-2012 he was a top 5 HC.

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No, he had a top 5 record. Big difference.

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He really really was a poor poor coach.

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Disagree. He had success consistently. You can’t fake or BS that in the SEC.

I first thought it was an LSU fan thing, bashing Miles because you could. It might have some aspects of that, but I think another part is current society- people can NOT give any credit to someone they don't like. This seems to be becoming more and more prevalent.

Otherwise, it makes little to no sense. Miles had the best 10 yr run of any coach in LSU history, which is objective fact. You can say you can't stand him, but to say he couldn't coach is ridiculous.

Unreal Fournette survived that beating he took lol. Dude was a special running back.