re: Reality Check: LSU has never been an elite SEC program

If that's the case then,

Florida had not won an SEC title since the arrival of SOS in '91.

Alabama has had 5 losing season since 1997.

Tennessee has won 2 SEC titles since conference expansion.

Auburn has won the west once since conference expansion and has only been in the title game on 3 occassions.

Georgia hasn't been to the SEC title game but once in the last 7 seasons.

Arkansas has never won an SEC title since their arrival to the SEC in 1992.

Mississippi State has been to two SEC title games and is 0-2.

UK, SC, Ole Miss, and Vandy have not set foot in Atlanta.

My point is that if LSU is NOT an "elite" SEC program, then really only Bama is if you wanna just count titles and legends and bullshite past traditions. But in the last 20 years, LSU is as elite as any of them.

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Since the inception of the SECCG, Florida and Bama have clearly been the best teams in the SEC.

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Take out the 1990's and now tell me where we sit.

Again, Florida didn't even have success until 2 years before conference expansion.

Florida and their two state counterparts, the Noles and Canes, cycles in and out and this year and the Zooker years are prime examples. Florida has been, historically, far from dominating as Kentucky...but last 20 years, yes, they've been good.

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But in the last 20 years, LSU is as elite as any of them.

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Dude, I was in Tiger Stadium for every second of the games when Curley was coach. Spurrier was on another level altogether. I hate Florida with every fiber of my being, but I hate them because they were brutally dominating. Something they reestablished under Meyer.

LSU hasn't reestablished anything (yet) and we haven't sustained what we had in 2003, 2005, 2006 and 2007. And it's hard to say we were as dominate as some of those Florida teams. In 2003, we lost to Florida. In 2007, we lost to Arkansas and Kentucky. We won the crystal footballs to be sure (and that's all that matters) but we didn't do it in a convincing enough manner to command the kind of respect that Florida and Alabama have historically.

Going forward, LSU could very well establish ourselves as an elite program. But it hasn't happened yet. We've done it in baseball, but we have not in football.

And isn't that why all you people want to fire Miles? We're not elite now and you think we'll find the right coach to get us to the elite level and KEEP us there. Even though LSU never has, you take it as an article of faith that we will get there and stay there.

We havent reestablished ourselves since the Dietzel days? are you actually implying that?

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One decade is a "storied tradition"? Why does Florida have a storied tradition when it's only been 20 years since their first outright title.

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Florida was certainly a Johnny come lately when Spurrier took the reins but you can't argue they haven't been very dominating most years under Spurrier and Meyer. Care to look up LSU's record against those two coaches?

But if you're going to rip down Florida and say they're not now and never were an elite team, then that makes it awfully hard to argue that LSU is or ever was.

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We havent reestablished ourselves since the Dietzel days? are you actually implying that?

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Are you implying that LSU was establishing itself as an elite team during the 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s?

At what point while we were losing every home game to Bama were we elite? Do elite teams storm the field after they beat a 3-6 elite team going through a bad year like Bama?

We have 4 out of 5 very good years in the mid 2000s and suddenly we're elite forever more?

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Dude, I was in Tiger Stadium for every second of the games when Curley was coach. Spurrier was on another level altogether. I hate Florida with every fiber of my being, but I hate them because they were brutally dominating. Something they reestablished under Meyer.

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Stop picking and choosing your years. I had to say last two decades because that is only when Florida became good. During the 1980's, it was all about LSU, Bama, Auburn, and Georgia. Florida wasn't in the picture. I am aware that 2 decades ago of how pitiful we were and was there with 58,000 others in the early 90's. Not too many people who I know are fans now were then...pretty hard to find company for a ballgame then.

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Going forward, LSU could very well establish ourselves as an elite program. But it hasn't happened yet. We've done it in baseball, but we have not in football.

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Terrible comparison as in the 1990's, only about 20 teams seriosuly competed for titles. Since the inception of the Super Regionals and the growth of baseball, however, LSU has as many titles in baseball as it does in football - 2. 6 titles to 3 is in baseball's favor, but honestly, that's a sport that 2 regions of the country play competitively.

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And isn't that why all you people want to fire Miles? We're not elite now and you think we'll find the right coach to get us to the elite level and KEEP us there. Even though LSU never has, you take it as an article of faith that we will get there and stay there.

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We became elite, truly, in 2001 and/or 2003. Honestly, though, we've had 2-3 elite years and most teams do it like that. USC was elite for 3-4 years. Ohio State? Who remembers any Buckeye team since 2002 besides LSU fans? Is Boise State elite? Because they win 11 or more games every year now. What about the elite Bama, with 5 losing seasons since 1997...damn near 6, but they lucked up in 2001 and won 6 and then their bowl game. And it was just 3 seasons ago that Bama was fighting for their lives in the Indy Bowl against Colorado. So, what is elite and what program stays at such a level?

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Florida is 7-3 in the SECCG.
Bama is 3-4 in the SECCG.
Tennessee is 2-3 in the SECG.
LSU is 3-1 in the SECG.
Georgia is 2-1 in the SECG.
Auburn is 1-2 in the SECG.
Arky is 0-3 in the SECG.
Miss State is 0-1 in the SECG.
UK, SC, Vandy & Ole Miss have never been to SECG.

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Using your data, LSU has the best winning percentage when getting to the SECCG. Plus two BCS Championships in 4 years.

That's not elite in your eyes?

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Stupid thread. We may not have been dominant in the last 3 years but frick! Historically we have an incredible win percentage and a long list of bowl victories. LSU is one of the top 5 most successful programs. And the only reason Bama is considered one of the greatest ever is because of the Bear.

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Spurrier and Meyer. Care to look up LSU's record against those two coaches?

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We beat Spurrier once at Florida and twice at SC. The only coach that had any success against SOS was Bowden. Fulmer and Richt (and before him Donnan and Goff) have marks about as worse. No one could handle Florida from 1990-2000. In 2005, Florida began a brief but successful ressurrection that is about to run its course - AGAIN.

What is Jackie Sherrill, Vince Dooley, Jerry Claiborne, Mike Shula, and Terry Bowden's records against LSU? Just sayin'...some teams would think of us almost the way we think of Florida.