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re: Reality Check: LSU has never been an elite SEC program
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:41 pm to pdxlsufan
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:41 pm to pdxlsufan
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Maybe our problem is that Bama has Saban instead of Mike Shula and Florida has Meyer instead of Ron Zook. You want to go back to 2003-2007, let's start by putting back in place subpar coaches at Bama and Florida.
By using that logic, Florida was only dominate in the 1990's because LSU had subpar coaches like Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo. If LSU had good coaches during that time, Florida would not have dominated. You see what I did there? I can pick and choose any era and find a problem with team X to show why team Y was dominate. You are using horrible logic
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:43 pm to PhiTiger1764
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By using that logic, Florida was only dominate in the 1990's because LSU had subpar coaches like Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo. If LSU had good coaches during that time, Florida would not have dominated. You see what I did there? I can pick and choose any era and find a problem with team X to show why team Y was dominate. You are using horrible logic
you dont have to go that far. They are dominating right now because we have Les Miles...works there as well
This is an arbitrary discussion and he is stating everything as if it is fact
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:43 pm to Hitchcock
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Guess how many 10 or more win seasons Michigan has? 25
LSU (pre-Miles) has 7
Michigan has been ranked 56 times. LSU has been ranked 34 times
And with the right coach, Michigan will likely reestablish itself as an elite program.
Just as U$C and Oklahoma did after some lean years in the 90s. Notre Dame doesn't look they ever will. But I haven't closed the book on Meechicken yet.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:43 pm to pdxlsufan
what does 50 years ago have to do with being an elite program right now?
You said we have NEVER been elite. Meaning you at least acknowledge that "Eliteness" can go through phases.
If Bama can go in and out of "eliteness", why can't LSU?
If you want to argue that LSU is not a historically elite program, then thats fine. Neither is Florida.
But to say we have never been elite, is just fricking stupid.
You said we have NEVER been elite. Meaning you at least acknowledge that "Eliteness" can go through phases.
If Bama can go in and out of "eliteness", why can't LSU?
If you want to argue that LSU is not a historically elite program, then thats fine. Neither is Florida.
But to say we have never been elite, is just fricking stupid.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:44 pm to pdxlsufan
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Damn.
Maybe our problem isn't that we have Les Miles as our coach.
Maybe our problem is that Bama has Saban instead of Mike Shula and Florida has Meyer instead of Ron Zook.
You want to go back to 2003-2007, let's start by putting back in place subpar coaches at Bama and Florida.
keep your eye on the ball here.
don't get distracted.
Yes or No - LSU would be considered an elite team from 2003-07? Simple question
Yes or No - LSU pays its head coach in the top 10 of all college football coaches?
Yes or No - If you ran a business and paid top dollar to an employee (top 10 of 120 in that class), you would expect elite results?
Yes or No - If you ran said business and invested top dollar in brick and mortar upgrades to your business establishment, you would expect a commensurate return?
simple questions. stay focused.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:44 pm to pdxlsufan
You refuse to admit you don't know jackshit about football.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:46 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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This guy is a typical Louisianian. Filled with self-loathing, unable to enjoy a modicum of success.
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The "we aint, we can't, we won't" mentality
You sir have hit the nail on the head.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:48 pm to PhiTiger1764
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By using that logic, Florida was only dominate in the 1990's because LSU had subpar coaches like Curly Hallman and Gerry Dinardo.
Florida was dominate because Florida destroyed EVERYONE in the SEC.
In 2003, LSU lost one game while Florida (8-5) and Bama (4-9) both looked terrible under Zook and Shula. And yet we still managed to lose to Florida that year.
In any given year, it's more likely that Florida and Bama are the higher ranked team when they play LSU. Now just why would that be??? Does the media have a hard on for them and hate LSU???
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:52 pm to pdxlsufan
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The problem many LSU fans have is that they think we should be an elite SEC team but can't accept that even under Nicky Saban we never have been an elite team. We've been good, even great, but never elite. I don't know that we ever will be.
We won a 100 games in 10 seasons...won 2 MNC's
That's Elite!
Our instate HS talent is Elite! Therefor LSU wil be an elite program...
Your measuring stick is off
Ask any HC in College football and ask them.."Do think LSU is an Elite football program?"
What do you think they will say?
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:53 pm to Lester Earl
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what does 50 years ago have to do with being an elite program right now?
You said we have NEVER been elite. Meaning you at least acknowledge that "Eliteness" can go through phases.
If Bama can go in and out of "eliteness", why can't LSU?
If you want to argue that LSU is not a historically elite program, then thats fine. Neither is Florida.
But to say we have never been elite, is just fricking stupid.
We have never established ourselves as elite and stayed there for any respectable length of time.
Four out of five years doesn't quite cut it.
Bama was elite for a long time before they went through decades of coaching difficulties. But make no mistake, Saban took the Alabama job because he considered it an elite job. Just as surely as Meyer did at Florida.
And yes, LSU pays elite money but that doesn't make us an elite program. It means we want very badly to be an elite program.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:55 pm to lsusteve1
Ohio State is considered to ba an ELITE program. Since 1970 they have 2 NC's, 1970 and 2002. They generally win the Big X or UM does. What makes them so Elite? Yes they have won lots of games but nationally they haven't done shyt!. They have yet to even beat 1 SEC team in a f*cking bowl game.
Listen, I hear you about LSU not having a "storied history" like Bama and UF. To say they are not elite is plain silly. They have some of the BEST facilities of ANY school in the SEC, if not the country. Louisiana is 1 of the top 10, maybe even 5 states that produce outstanding football talent as well.
I guess it is up to YOUR interpetation of "ELITE". There is always a beginning to everything. LSU is now considered elite, if not, why do you think the media would bother to even discuss the poor coaching so much? There is plenty of focus and media coverage because we are considered to field a plethora of talent EVERY year that competes with ANY university out there.
Lastlt, we may not have ELITE coaching but make no mistake that this program is considered elite. Tradition may not be storied but that is a different conversation.
Listen, I hear you about LSU not having a "storied history" like Bama and UF. To say they are not elite is plain silly. They have some of the BEST facilities of ANY school in the SEC, if not the country. Louisiana is 1 of the top 10, maybe even 5 states that produce outstanding football talent as well.
I guess it is up to YOUR interpetation of "ELITE". There is always a beginning to everything. LSU is now considered elite, if not, why do you think the media would bother to even discuss the poor coaching so much? There is plenty of focus and media coverage because we are considered to field a plethora of talent EVERY year that competes with ANY university out there.
Lastlt, we may not have ELITE coaching but make no mistake that this program is considered elite. Tradition may not be storied but that is a different conversation.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 6:57 pm to pdxlsufan
I've stepped in deeper puddles than your analysis. And not just coming from a "homer", just at the massive holes in your reasoning.
You arbitrarily start since the inception of the SECCG in 92, which happened that the 90's were tough times for the Tigers. In contrast, we won the SEC Championship twice in the 80's.
By All Time rankings, (record, points,) LSU is second to Bama, UF is #5.LINK
By All Time record: Bama; UT; UGA; LSU; UF.
There just much much more to the SEC than you've looked at.
You arbitrarily start since the inception of the SECCG in 92, which happened that the 90's were tough times for the Tigers. In contrast, we won the SEC Championship twice in the 80's.
By All Time rankings, (record, points,) LSU is second to Bama, UF is #5.LINK
By All Time record: Bama; UT; UGA; LSU; UF.
There just much much more to the SEC than you've looked at.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:00 pm to pdxlsufan
Wins this decade
1 Boise State 112
2 Texas 110
3 Oklahoma 110
4 Ohio State 102
5 USC 102
6 Florida 100
7 LSU 99
8 Virginia tech 99
9 Georgia 98
10 TCU 95
1 Boise State 112
2 Texas 110
3 Oklahoma 110
4 Ohio State 102
5 USC 102
6 Florida 100
7 LSU 99
8 Virginia tech 99
9 Georgia 98
10 TCU 95
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:01 pm to pdxlsufan
Thank you for calling me a genius, you want to know how I am......you are rather sensitive about Alabama and hence the reason I put them in about three times in my previous post. I knew if you reacted and defended all things Bama (which you quite obviously have), there is a good chance that you are just an Alabama "homer" on the cool having some fun, but that is just me. If you are indeed an LSU fan, god forbid, you are the quintessential Debbie Downer. Regardless, you have fun being elite talking about others being elite while you type on a message board at home on your elite computer in your elite mom's basement.
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 7:11 pm
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:01 pm to Fast Times @ LSU
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Yes or No - LSU would be considered an elite team from 2003-07? Simple question
If you want to use a narrow 5 year measurement, sure. Kind of like U$C's long lived dynasty. The 2004 LSU season was definitely not elite by any measurement. But we didn't sustain it and it coincided with a period when Bama and Florida were both weak. If and when we add to our championships we could certainly claim to be elite, much like our baseball team sustained its success and reestablished itself by winning another title in 2009. Our baseball team is elite. Our football team is NOT.
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Yes or No - LSU pays its head coach in the top 10 of all college football coaches?
Is our coach pay elite? Yes. So what?
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Yes or No - If you ran a business and paid top dollar to an employee (top 10 of 120 in that class), you would expect elite results?
Clearly LSU pays elite money because we want to be elite. No argument there. Not my point.
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Yes or No - If you ran said business and invested top dollar in brick and mortar upgrades to your business establishment, you would expect a commensurate return?
So far off topic, I refuse to answer.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:02 pm to The Godfather
Difference between LSU & Elite Programs:
Bama needed a coach, they go hire the Miami Dolphins Coach of the NFL, have fan support & people pumping serious money into that program.
LSU brings out Mighty Joe "Hatchetman" Alleva. LSU will a lower level coach, best case - Peterson or Patterson - coach dujour & pray he has all the answers. He won't. Then in 2-3 years you'll have him John Bradyfied, like you did to Miles. You'll looking longingly at Bama like you have since 1960 & continue to scratch your head. LSU has no fan support. You Boo you own coaches, instead of putting money into your program - like Bama does.
Bama needed a coach, they go hire the Miami Dolphins Coach of the NFL, have fan support & people pumping serious money into that program.
LSU brings out Mighty Joe "Hatchetman" Alleva. LSU will a lower level coach, best case - Peterson or Patterson - coach dujour & pray he has all the answers. He won't. Then in 2-3 years you'll have him John Bradyfied, like you did to Miles. You'll looking longingly at Bama like you have since 1960 & continue to scratch your head. LSU has no fan support. You Boo you own coaches, instead of putting money into your program - like Bama does.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:02 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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Wins this decade
1 Boise State 112
Anyone care to make the argument that Boise State is an elite team?
Or Virginia Tech for that matter?
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7 LSU 99
8 Virginia tech 99
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:05 pm to Hitchcock
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Bama needed a coach, they go hire the Miami Dolphins Coach of the NFL, have fan support & people pumping serious money into that program.
LSU brings out Mighty Joe "Hatchetman" Alleva. LSU will a lower level coach, best case - Peterson or Patterson - coach dujour & pray he has all the answers. He won't. Then in 2-3 years you'll have him John Bradyfied, like you did to Miles. You'll looking longingly at Bama like you have since 1960 & continue to scratch your head. LSU has no fan support. You Boo you own coaches, instead of putting money into your program - like Bama does.
Finally, an it getter. And you make a far better argument than my admittedly poorly argued one.
And cheer up people, we do have an elite baseball program. Which we reaffirmed by winning #6 in 2009.
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:05 pm to pdxlsufan
LSU is in the SEC, not the wac, not the acc. This proves that you are a moron
Posted on 10/25/10 at 7:07 pm to SCLSUMuddogs
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LSU is in the SEC, not the wac, not the acc. This proves that you are a moron
You got me there.
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